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restarting OBS was the trick it's

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working that did it yeah and who knows

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why that ever happens but anyway what

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I'm gonna do I hope it wasn't the flux

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capacitor you know this is a very

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strange technology akin to doctor whose

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time travel technology and it could have

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now the listeners on youtube what I'm

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is i Alejandro Rojas and so and you did

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that and I know we got to go to break

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soon so but some of what he shared was

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like Senator Harry Reid just how far

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paranormal came up way back when so

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Martin we're in the clear and we've got

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what I promised everyone so okay we'll

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Syracuse New Times and her latest story

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shapes out of the UFO databases that she

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monitors in particular MUFON of course

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go into it we have another yeah you're

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computer Joseph can you hear me Joseph I

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have I'm talking juicy do you see me yet

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Martin Willis at podcast UFO my guest is

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so Alejandro before I Colin before I

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finish where we were at Harry yeah

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finish where we were and then I do want

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people a heads up real quick

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but yes that this dia agent had read

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skinwalker and he contacted them this

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the book so they they wrote the book

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you're right because he knew Harry Reid

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behest of Robert Bigelow in fact George

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this idea that you know this was one

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ridiculous that there's total BS he said

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get it transcribed soon and I'm gonna

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put it on the Internet and probably even

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write a story cuz it's some really

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really good information but before I go

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that you know the History Channel has

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been doing this they're preparing for

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this television show Project Blue Book

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that's going to be about real UFO cases

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journalists writing about real cases

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that they're going to cover on this

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television show for the History Channel

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and they did write another one recently

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and we talked about this the other day

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Korean War where this blinking object

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pulsating kind of moved towards them and

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and had an effect on these people a

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long-term effect right so great story so

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keep an eye on History Channel because

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they're really releasing some really

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cool stuff so other than that the only

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essentially saying if if this was a real

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pentagon program what are you doing

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coming and speaking at the MUFON

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symposium to a bunch of UFO goofballs

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and Elizondo essentially saying they've

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been into this for a long time they've

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been researching it that's why we're

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talking to them they know what we're

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talking about so very interesting story

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there you know it's really if you think

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about it's really kind of a shame I know

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that there are parts of the UFO field

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that are a bit fringy but I'm still it

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really is kind of a shame that they just

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put and put them together as a whole

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ball of wax yeah and because there are

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some serious people and you know as well

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as I do

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some highly intelligent people that are

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not fringy that are trying to figure

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this out because there is only something

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to this and there's a lot of people that

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that get that so yeah it's kind of a

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shame that were viewed as all you know

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weirdos I understand we're just a small

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percentage of the people out there that

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have an interest in this topic but still

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yeah and just because we're weird it's

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just because I'm aware doesn't mean I'm

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not serious about the topic that's right

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exactly

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hey all right thanks so much for filling

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in I really appreciate it

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my pleasure all right and I'll talk to

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you next week all right talk to you

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later have a good show all right thank

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you all right so our guest

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Joseph Burke's MD and he's a board

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certified internal medicine physician he

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retired from the Southern California

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Permanente group after 30 years of

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service in 2008 during the 1960s to the

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1980s he was a volunteer at volunteer

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peace and social justice activists

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working with physicians for Social

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Responsibility the United Farm Workers

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Union and pro-labor coalition's that

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were part of the occupational health and

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safety movement Joseph welcome to the

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show thank you very much I'm getting up

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from my sickbed but I'm so happy to be

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here oh I'm sorry so you've been sick

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today that's why I haven't heard from

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you Wow well yeah but I'm better I took

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tylenol and I looked in the mirror and

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my doctor says you're well enough to do

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the show and I appreciate you coming up

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very much I'll be late have arguments

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with your doctor right I'm looking in

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the mirror and you lose them yeah yeah

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yes so for that well you look you look

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pretty good for a sick person but anyway

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I'm glad you made it and glad you called

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in and it's funny when you called in I

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heard a voice I said who the heck's at

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and my son figured it out so but anyway

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can you tell the person that's never

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heard you before a little bit about your

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background and what got you interested

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in the UFO topic sure well

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I love the paysage I was born in 1949

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and I grew up watching with great

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excitement the developments in space

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exploration

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resting to get to the moon which United

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States and of course I was a fan of Star

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Trek as so many of the audience was I

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remember seeing the first show sort of

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midseason it was called the menagerie

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and which has significance in terms of

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what I'll be talking about a little

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later about the mechanisms of contact

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and how UFO intelligence is used for

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those people who don't recall mystery

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act the menagerie was the pilot which

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sold the show and focused on Star Trek

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team visiting a planet which had aliens

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with tremendous psychic ability that

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could create illusions sort of a virtual

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reality and this theme was later picked

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up Oh some thirty year in the

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blockbuster tricks but my interest was

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not really anything related to UFOs

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other than being curious about science

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fiction and following the space race I

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was a peace and social justice activist

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as you mentioned and I tried to

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integrate my work as a medical doctor

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activities in terms and social justice

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movements so I was active with the Farm

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Workers Union I helped recruit medical

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staff for their clinics and the San

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Joaquin Valley when I was a medical

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student later on as a young doctor what

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was called the occupational health and

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safety movement this was a movement to

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educate the public and around the

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medical hazards of work and an attempt

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to make them at workplaces safer place

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so oh I didn't really think about UFOs

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really at all other than May the 1975

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because a program focused on the Betty

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and Barney Hill experience

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and I also saw the Close Encounters of

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the Third Kind like millions of others

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people so in nineteen 1990 I embarked

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upon a project which involved building a

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studio for my wife in our home and Los

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Angeles yeah

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partner in the Permanente Medical Group

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Southern California Kaiser a very large

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health organization and we actually yes

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thank you so much I was part of there

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yes

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and so I things weren't going well with

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the project the roof was off of her home

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it was rainy season it was very wet for

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my wife and children who were huddled in

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one part of the house that had roof but

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the rest of the house was open to the

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air and so I went to the local I was

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working also a lot of overtime remodel

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to build the studio for my wife and I

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said I'm so frustrated I'm so I need

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something to distract me what do you

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have and I thought I don't know UFOs so

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they gave me a book the incredible Gulf

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Breeze science I think was about Edie

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and Frances Walters a couple in Florida

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who were in the middle of a major wave

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of UFO sightings on the Gulf Coast and

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not far from Pensacola Florida and I

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read the book I was fascinated I read

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another and then another and after about

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maybe hey got enough courage to go for

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foam meetings it was a UFO Expo West and

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there I met a tall bearded doctor who

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was also working emergency room as was I

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in the time and he said his name was dr.

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Steven Greer and he stated that he had

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developed a technique of attracting UFOs

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secure locations we're using

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consciousness techniques basically

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telepathy thought projection he claimed

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he was able to attract UFOs to these

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research sites and Expo West uh

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he also showed videos of that encounter

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that he had in March of 1992 were not

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one not two but three Oh foes which left

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with a power ring underneath interacted

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with the 40 or so people that dr. Greer

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had brought to out into the beach to

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interact with him so the videos had a

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very dramatic effect on his recruiting

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campaign and given the fact that he was

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an emergency room doctor and I was

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working ER I thought this man is

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probably credible and I flew

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cross-country and June took one of his

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seminars and there on West on the beach

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in West Palm Beach on UFO it was a

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blue-green light that shot across coming

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in from the Atlantic it there was a

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cloud cover it was an ominous and that

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was totally silent

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I had no explanation but dr. Greer said

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it was a UFO and I was very impressed so

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I decided I would try to be a working

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group coordinator although I hadn't

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really done very much in terms of

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consciousness work although I took I

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Silva Maya when I was in medical school

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which was a very popular course that

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taught people rudimentary size skills

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and I practiced the the techniques of

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the Silva mind control and to do my to

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my delight I found that I could actually

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it actually helped me find parking

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spaces I was driving around Boston that

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was in medical school and I would go

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into a very relaxed state as I was

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driving around and I would see where the

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parking space was in my mind's eye and

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most of the time there it was so I had

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some back it's certainly not an attempt

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to return what we'll call secure and

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research sites dr. Greer came out to

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California he did a workshop for people

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in the San Fernando Valley where I

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worked as a Kaiser staff physician and

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we started as soon as we started going

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out into the field we started having

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sightings

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the Golden Globes a PPP the point a

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light was very close to a strategic

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military facility the Department of

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Energy site in the Santa Susana Pass

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which is at the border of Los Angeles

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and a venture and it separates the Santa

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Susana Pass is a mountainous region of

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high desert that separates separates San

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Fernando Valley from Simi Valley and

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what I found was that while we were

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doing the field work anomalous objects

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appeared now there was a long history of

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sightings in this area which I was not

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aware of at the time the Santa Susana

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path option where this department of

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energy site was and during the 1950's

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according to one of ours Kaiser patients

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who was a carpenter at the time he was

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there working on this defense facility

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and he said that for three months back

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in the 1950s this Department of Energy's

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site was basically they hollowed out

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this mountain and for three months dump

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trucks three miles long emptied the

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mountain the carpenter went down the 15

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levels into the mountain where he was

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able to work constructing this facility

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but he said there was an equal number of

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levels for good to the mountain which he

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didn't have seek for so perhaps by

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chance or maybe a synchronicity we were

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guided to this place in the Santa Susana

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Pass to do our ce-5 Close Encounters of

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there was a long tradition of sightings

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at this facility I was not aware of when

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I first started working there but we saw

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Golden Globes red orbs appeared to go up

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and down behind the mountain where we

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were working in the past

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one night we had some very unusual

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lights that signal that the ridge line

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in the Santa Susana Pass for the next

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five years I led a team of contact

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activists I call them or contact workers

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these are people who are trained in

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rudimentary side techniques meditation

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thought projection and we would go out

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into the field and two hours delight

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UFOs would show up where there was

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limited signaling chain powerful lights

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back and forth between us and what were

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the UFOs so this is this is the the

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process that got me started and I was

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doing that work for five years and had

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many encounters with what are called now

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you ApS or UFOs or flying saucers that's

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00:25:34,660 --> 00:25:32,630
how I got started in the work I say you

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know what I'm going to have to do here

531
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:37,520
is why don't you send me over a text

532
00:25:42,250 --> 00:25:40,850
with your phone number or actually why

533
00:25:43,570 --> 00:25:42,260
don't you write this down and you just

534
00:25:47,020 --> 00:25:43,580
give me a call back on your phone

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00:25:49,210 --> 00:25:47,030
because we're having Skype issues your

536
00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:49,220
skype is cutting in and out and the

537
00:25:53,950 --> 00:25:52,310
audio is not working so I'm sure you got

538
00:25:58,450 --> 00:25:53,960
to hear you laugh write down the noise

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00:26:01,320 --> 00:25:58,460
be clear so let me write this down

540
00:26:07,630 --> 00:26:01,330
go ahead what's your number six oh three

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nine six seven four OH three oh and I

542
00:26:10,930 --> 00:26:09,740
didn't we have another break coming up

543
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:10,940
but I didn't want to wait till the break

544
00:26:18,130 --> 00:26:14,570
I just thought okay six oh nine six

545
00:26:20,290 --> 00:26:18,140
seven four oh three oh yeah alright give

546
00:26:21,870 --> 00:26:20,300
me a call back if you would I shadow

547
00:26:24,820 --> 00:26:21,880
right away thank you

548
00:26:26,620 --> 00:26:24,830
all right so hang in there everyone he

549
00:26:29,170 --> 00:26:26,630
is going to call back we're gonna get

550
00:26:37,300 --> 00:26:29,180
them in an audio we're obviously going

551
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:37,310
to have to change change the we don't

552
00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:39,710
have an image yet so just hang in there

553
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:51,090
and should be calling in any second

554
00:26:56,940 --> 00:26:53,400
sometimes life doesn't work all that

555
00:26:59,160 --> 00:26:56,950
well and you know someday sometimes I

556
00:27:04,620 --> 00:26:59,170
wish I went back to the name of my show

557
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:04,630
which is podcast UFO but that's just the

558
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,170
case he's not calling in

559
00:27:14,220 --> 00:27:10,960
I heard him repeat the number I'm not

560
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:14,230
getting a call yet so I'll wait for a

561
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:21,910
while and if up here he comes and nope

562
00:27:25,770 --> 00:27:23,890
that's not gonna work yes can you hear

563
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:25,780
me yeah it's not working up you're gonna

564
00:27:33,090 --> 00:27:27,610
happen I'm gonna have to call you back

565
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:33,100
hang on I'll call you back so I just I

566
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:37,210
know I just cut out race over there at

567
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,690
kgr radio and I apologize for that race

568
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:43,120
since you talked before you might as

569
00:27:53,820 --> 00:27:50,080
well talk now in the audio clear hearing

570
00:28:08,600 --> 00:27:53,830
yeah all right so just hang anyone I'm

571
00:28:15,149 --> 00:28:12,509
right again just hanging everyone I just

572
00:28:18,210 --> 00:28:15,159
have to make this all work and again I

573
00:28:24,299 --> 00:28:18,220
apologize everyone for all the issues we

574
00:28:25,230 --> 00:28:24,309
are having today just trying to get back

575
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:25,240
to the main page

576
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:42,020
I

577
00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:50,250
can you see me yeah but it's still not

578
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:52,380
working we gotta I gotta try to give you

579
00:28:59,030 --> 00:28:55,440
a ring it's just not gonna work I get

580
00:29:01,480 --> 00:28:59,040
just heard it just hurt a clip so yeah

581
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:01,490
let me just

582
00:29:08,110 --> 00:29:05,250
it's the wireless that does it yeah yeah

583
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:08,120
sorry race so hang in there were sinners

584
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:13,410
I'm going to dial the number and let me

585
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:22,610
okay and I wish I wish I could tone out

586
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:27,450
this number but I don't have a way to do

587
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:45,360
that hello hello is that we got you on

588
00:29:51,530 --> 00:29:48,930
the phone not yet I'm I'm still back on

589
00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:51,540
Skype is this a better connection it

590
00:29:57,740 --> 00:29:55,260
sounds better so far yeah I'm very close

591
00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:57,750
to the modem okay yeah it sounds let's

592
00:30:01,640 --> 00:29:58,410
go with this

593
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:01,650
and again listeners thank you so much

594
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:03,210
for being patient we're gonna give this

595
00:30:08,860 --> 00:30:07,710
a try and that's better it sounds better

596
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:08,870
so far

597
00:30:13,970 --> 00:30:12,330
25 seconds to bobber Oh okay so we're

598
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:13,980
gonna go to a break anyway

599
00:30:18,140 --> 00:30:16,320
perfect timing so hang in there and

600
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,150
we'll be talking during the break so

601
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:21,360
just hang in there so I want to know

602
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:24,690
already in the break Martin got it okay

603
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:27,360
so we're coming back from the break now

604
00:30:34,970 --> 00:30:32,340
I had to go to a break wouldn't win the

605
00:30:42,380 --> 00:30:34,980
connection done I got it I got it it was

606
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:42,390
pure dead air so alright just count me

607
00:30:47,570 --> 00:30:55,270
okay here we go in five four three

608
00:31:00,290 --> 00:30:59,570
all righty 1 welcome back and 2 kg are a

609
00:31:02,810 --> 00:31:00,300
radio

610
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:02,820
my guest is Joseph Burks hopefully we've

611
00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:06,930
got the audio issue worked out he's

612
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:08,940
right he's on top of his modem he says

613
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:11,910
and so that should work better why don't

614
00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:15,330
you why don't you I think you're just

615
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:21,960
about done wrapping up so one thing I

616
00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:23,700
have to tell you I've I've been pretty

617
00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:28,470
cruel talking about Greer over the years

618
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:33,860
and I've had to do say cool or cruel oh

619
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:37,890
I've been cruel and that's just because

620
00:31:43,130 --> 00:31:40,170
um I think he's taken a lot of it he's

621
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,140
taken advantage of people and he's one

622
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:45,120
of these people and I think I think he's

623
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:47,520
pretty fringy and I understand you both

624
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:49,260
are medical doctors and I understand the

625
00:31:55,970 --> 00:31:52,080
connection there and it's just my

626
00:31:57,740 --> 00:31:55,980
opinion my opinion is that I understand

627
00:31:59,360 --> 00:31:57,750
he could make a lot of money as a I

628
00:32:02,210 --> 00:31:59,370
believe he was a surgeon maybe perhaps

629
00:32:04,730 --> 00:32:02,220
but I can't remember he was a trauma

630
00:32:06,620 --> 00:32:04,740
surgeon he was an ER doctor who did

631
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:06,630
medical procedures and surgical

632
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:08,910
procedures in the year now we'll say at

633
00:32:13,940 --> 00:32:10,980
the beginning I thought he did some

634
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:13,950
wonderful work but I think he went off

635
00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:19,440
the rails and I don't believe in his

636
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:22,200
work I don't think he's so I don't think

637
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:24,690
he's good for the UFO field and if we

638
00:32:30,170 --> 00:32:26,850
could we could spend the rest of our

639
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:30,180
show doing a detailed analysis of a

640
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:34,490
Steven Greer MD because I got to see him

641
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:38,700
one year after he was recruited by naval

642
00:32:48,410 --> 00:32:42,570
intelligence and when I was working with

643
00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:48,420
him the name Ron Pandolfi and Dan Smith

644
00:32:55,690 --> 00:32:52,980
were household terms so I could I could

645
00:32:58,790 --> 00:32:55,700
tell you this story how it came down

646
00:33:01,580 --> 00:32:58,800
it's never been shared publicly before

647
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:01,590
well though in terms of radio show

648
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:04,110
although I have written about it in on

649
00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:07,320
my Facebook page all right sure

650
00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:10,980
opened here so he he he claims that he

651
00:33:15,740 --> 00:33:12,600
was in Naval Intelligence

652
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:15,750
he was he wasn't claimed he told me that

653
00:33:24,740 --> 00:33:20,730
in 1991 after he had a number of

654
00:33:27,620 --> 00:33:24,750
sightings in full uniform a gentleman by

655
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:27,630
the name of commander will Miller came

656
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:30,090
to his home and offered to assist him in

657
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:32,610
the sea SETI project I got to meet

658
00:33:39,410 --> 00:33:35,310
commander will Miller in 1995 at the

659
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:39,420
Grier home and then again in 1997 where

660
00:33:45,530 --> 00:33:42,480
I met Edgar Mitchell who was also part

661
00:33:48,290 --> 00:33:45,540
of dr. Greer's one of a better term

662
00:33:51,620 --> 00:33:48,300
entourage after behind closed door

663
00:33:54,260 --> 00:33:51,630
briefings that were held in 1997 spring

664
00:33:58,010 --> 00:33:54,270
in Washington DC were a number of

665
00:34:03,760 --> 00:33:58,020
Congress people and their staff showed

666
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:03,770
up to be briefed on the UFO subject but

667
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:06,720
in my interest was primarily in the

668
00:34:14,330 --> 00:34:09,810
contact aspect of the work and so for

669
00:34:16,940 --> 00:34:14,340
five years that was my main activity a

670
00:34:18,650 --> 00:34:16,950
project starlight which was then became

671
00:34:21,590 --> 00:34:18,660
the disclosure project was something

672
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:21,600
that I was supportive of but I really

673
00:34:28,700 --> 00:34:25,280
didn't have much to do with except

674
00:34:32,420 --> 00:34:28,710
participate in a few meetings one of

675
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:32,430
which was in Washington DC I think if

676
00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:34,050
you want to understand dr. Steven Greer

677
00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:36,350
you have to understand that the best

678
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:39,750
paradigms to follow the UFO subject is

679
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:42,330
not a scientific one it's a

680
00:34:48,590 --> 00:34:45,570
counterintelligence one are you familiar

681
00:34:52,130 --> 00:34:48,600
with counterintelligence operations

682
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:52,140
correct not not exactly I couldn't name

683
00:35:00,170 --> 00:34:55,050
any particular counter incidents

684
00:35:03,470 --> 00:35:00,180
operation does the name sergeant Dottie

685
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:03,480
ring a bell oh yeah Richard Doty Richard

686
00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:03,810
Doty

687
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:08,310
yes mr. Elizondo that he's very

688
00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:10,530
prominent now I wouldn't call him a

689
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:13,140
counterintelligence and what's your

690
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,330
reasoning for that it was a DIA

691
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:17,760
counterintelligence officer and that's

692
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:20,940
his CV he worked in that few

693
00:35:27,020 --> 00:35:24,240
for many years I think that saying I

694
00:35:30,140 --> 00:35:27,030
thought you meant now he is one well I

695
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:30,150
suspect he is as well but there's no not

696
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:31,920
a problem with that you have to

697
00:35:41,630 --> 00:35:37,970
understand from that the UFO phenomena

698
00:35:46,490 --> 00:35:41,640
threatens all terrestrial elites on this

699
00:35:48,380 --> 00:35:46,500
planet if you're a military man and you

700
00:35:50,420 --> 00:35:48,390
have you're confronted with hardware

701
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:50,430
that can fly circles around your best

702
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:52,770
performance aircraft you're going to

703
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,400
naturally perceive this as a threat if

704
00:36:01,579 --> 00:35:58,800
UFOs are showing up repeatedly over

705
00:36:03,620 --> 00:36:01,589
nuclear facilities and on occasion

706
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:03,630
interacting with them and interfering

707
00:36:09,140 --> 00:36:07,020
with their function damaging them in

708
00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:09,150
some way this is a counterintelligence

709
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,260
problem this is not rocket science it's

710
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:15,839
just simple way that the United States

711
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:17,880
is going to defend its most prized

712
00:36:25,099 --> 00:36:21,599
possessions nuclear weapons and the most

713
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:25,109
dangerous possessions at that if this

714
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:30,410
phenomena is not only psychic but also

715
00:36:38,059 --> 00:36:34,800
technological then it's clear that what

716
00:36:39,770 --> 00:36:38,069
we call UFOs are highly advanced in

717
00:36:43,460 --> 00:36:39,780
terms of their propulsion systems and

718
00:36:47,630 --> 00:36:43,470
they are not they are not flying on

719
00:36:52,190 --> 00:36:47,640
fossil fuels so people like to say that

720
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:52,200
oh if we had free energy of UFOs what

721
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:54,210
wonderful things we would be able to do

722
00:37:02,079 --> 00:36:57,210
well let me tell you the application of

723
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:02,089
all advanced technology here on earth is

724
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:05,910
usually weapons first so here again you

725
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:08,880
have another defense aspect if the

726
00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:11,730
United States can work by

727
00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:14,460
back-engineering down to ET craft and

728
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:16,920
discover the basis of their propulsion

729
00:37:23,540 --> 00:37:20,490
systems not only would they be able to

730
00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:23,550
be used as weapons but we could use them

731
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,520
to deter any other enemy of the United

732
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:29,040
States that had developed similar

733
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:31,980
capabilities are you following me now in

734
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:34,050
terms of the counterintelligence aspects

735
00:37:40,030 --> 00:37:34,650
of the UFO

736
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:40,040
phenomenon yeah yeah mm-hmm in addition

737
00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:44,040
the largest industry on this planet is

738
00:37:51,530 --> 00:37:48,660
the petrochemical industry and if free

739
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:51,540
energy were suddenly handed to us not

740
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:53,130
only would it likely be used as weapons

741
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:55,290
but it also would lead to a global

742
00:38:00,050 --> 00:37:58,170
economic crisis because of the millions

743
00:38:03,020 --> 00:38:00,060
of people who are employed in fossil

744
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,030
industry all of a sudden would be out of

745
00:38:09,350 --> 00:38:06,240
work the corporations that control the

746
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:09,360
the industry would be out of profits it

747
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:13,770
would create a series of crises you see

748
00:38:18,620 --> 00:38:16,530
that this issue is not only

749
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:18,630
counterintelligence oriented but it's

750
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:20,610
also a threat to some of the most

751
00:38:28,220 --> 00:38:22,290
powerful economic interests on the

752
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:28,230
planet and then you have politicians the

753
00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:31,280
United States is one of many nations

754
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:33,900
however the message of the so-called

755
00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:37,380
aliens is in some way similar to the

756
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,420
message that our astronauts had when

757
00:38:44,090 --> 00:38:42,240
they look down on earth you know when

758
00:38:47,870 --> 00:38:44,100
you fly over the earth and a space

759
00:38:49,730 --> 00:38:47,880
capsule you don't you don't see dividing

760
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:49,740
lines between Canada and the United

761
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,530
States nor do you see them anywhere else

762
00:38:59,390 --> 00:38:54,480
there are no boundaries there are no

763
00:39:02,990 --> 00:38:59,400
right order and so that we are one

764
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:03,000
planet and one people is going to get

765
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:06,480
very popular if people on this planet

766
00:39:10,730 --> 00:39:07,730
realized that there are

767
00:39:13,580 --> 00:39:10,740
extraterrestrials advanced civilizations

768
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:13,590
contacting the other planet and what is

769
00:39:19,220 --> 00:39:16,050
going to happen to the national

770
00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:19,230
politicians who base their power on

771
00:39:23,630 --> 00:39:21,060
defending their country from other

772
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:23,640
countries and all of a sudden everyone

773
00:39:29,180 --> 00:39:25,440
is saying we're one planet one people

774
00:39:31,580 --> 00:39:29,190
and there'll be a even greater push to

775
00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:31,590
have integration not only economically

776
00:39:36,110 --> 00:39:33,630
which we now have with the world market

777
00:39:38,510 --> 00:39:36,120
where you buy cars that are made parts

778
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,520
are made in ten different countries but

779
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:40,320
one planet one people in terms of

780
00:39:46,460 --> 00:39:44,570
political identification so politicians

781
00:39:48,529 --> 00:39:46,470
understandably might be threatened in

782
00:39:51,370 --> 00:39:48,539
that kind of environment and then

783
00:39:55,699 --> 00:39:51,380
have the religious aspects which are

784
00:39:58,459 --> 00:39:55,709
considerable because some people believe

785
00:40:01,489 --> 00:39:58,469
if you watch ancient aliens they

786
00:40:03,620 --> 00:40:01,499
certainly promote the notion that this

787
00:40:08,569 --> 00:40:03,630
is not a recent phenomena but an ancient

788
00:40:12,620 --> 00:40:08,579
one and people are going to ask Oh what

789
00:40:15,469 --> 00:40:12,630
if the great wisdom traditions are a

790
00:40:18,370 --> 00:40:15,479
planet that we call religion Islam

791
00:40:22,279 --> 00:40:18,380
Judaism Christianity that many of their

792
00:40:26,959 --> 00:40:22,289
saints or messengers of God like

793
00:40:30,229 --> 00:40:26,969
Muhammad or Jesus or Moses were in fact

794
00:40:33,529 --> 00:40:30,239
contactees and this is something that

795
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:33,539
Jacque Valais has to discussed it's a

796
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:36,089
very controversial subject and I I bring

797
00:40:39,140 --> 00:40:37,529
it out but I don't want to dwell on it

798
00:40:43,429 --> 00:40:39,150
because we're sort of playing with fire

799
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,439
here because our the social glue that

800
00:40:50,299 --> 00:40:46,079
holds our civilization together in terms

801
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:50,309
of our ethics our morality our legal

802
00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:54,689
traditions are based on traditions that

803
00:40:59,449 --> 00:40:57,900
came out of wisdom traditions we're

804
00:41:01,339 --> 00:40:59,459
talking about the major religions of our

805
00:41:03,259 --> 00:41:01,349
planet are you getting any of this are

806
00:41:05,209 --> 00:41:03,269
we we have a good connection oh you know

807
00:41:07,849 --> 00:41:05,219
no yeah we're I can hear you good you're

808
00:41:10,249 --> 00:41:07,859
doing doing good just try to keep your

809
00:41:12,829 --> 00:41:10,259
computer still that would be good if you

810
00:41:15,739 --> 00:41:12,839
could remember to do that sure okay I'll

811
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:15,749
let I can move it to another platform

812
00:41:22,479 --> 00:41:18,689
okay I don't want anything up that's

813
00:41:25,819 --> 00:41:22,489
working out I'll just stop moving yeah

814
00:41:28,189 --> 00:41:25,829
however you know as far as it as far as

815
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:28,199
the politics go I get what you're saying

816
00:41:32,299 --> 00:41:30,089
you know it's kind of like what Reagan

817
00:41:34,099 --> 00:41:32,309
used to say a number of times you know

818
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:34,109
like if we were ever attacked from an

819
00:41:37,189 --> 00:41:35,729
alien world

820
00:41:39,049 --> 00:41:37,199
you know we would all joined together

821
00:41:42,439 --> 00:41:39,059
and it really you know there really is

822
00:41:44,359 --> 00:41:42,449
something to that you know it's we would

823
00:41:47,029 --> 00:41:44,369
come I think we would come together more

824
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:47,039
as applying it instead of divided lines

825
00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:51,089
that that we fight so hard for and lose

826
00:41:56,959 --> 00:41:53,369
so many lives for you know so many wars

827
00:41:59,239 --> 00:41:56,969
going on about territory and and also

828
00:42:01,890 --> 00:41:59,249
about when you go back to the free

829
00:42:04,890 --> 00:42:01,900
energy you

830
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:04,900
would have to be a very slow transition

831
00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:06,970
if it was a major you know quick

832
00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:10,390
transition to free energy i right there

833
00:42:15,570 --> 00:42:12,550
would be a definite market crash right

834
00:42:17,970 --> 00:42:15,580
off the bat first and you know there's

835
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:17,980
plenty of people making billions of

836
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:20,880
dollars that would fight tooth and nail

837
00:42:26,970 --> 00:42:24,490
life or death to you know continue that

838
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:26,980
that way of living so yeah there would

839
00:42:31,140 --> 00:42:29,290
have to be a you know someday some type

840
00:42:33,570 --> 00:42:31,150
of energy whether it's free energy but

841
00:42:35,730 --> 00:42:33,580
we have to do something you know we are

842
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:35,740
addicted to fossil fuel and you know we

843
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:38,290
have to you know I know this subject is

844
00:42:42,930 --> 00:42:40,210
we're supposed to be talking about UFOs

845
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,940
but I get where you were going if they

846
00:42:48,030 --> 00:42:44,800
have a technology that we can figure out

847
00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:48,040
and perhaps they don't perhaps they have

848
00:42:53,310 --> 00:42:49,630
a way of harnessing something that we

849
00:42:56,750 --> 00:42:53,320
don't we haven't understood yet and that

850
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:56,760
we may or may not be able to replicate

851
00:43:02,400 --> 00:42:59,680
that that is correct these are they're

852
00:43:05,970 --> 00:43:02,410
great mysteries involved but I think if

853
00:43:08,130 --> 00:43:05,980
the Roswell crash is not just let legend

854
00:43:10,650 --> 00:43:08,140
or myth but the witnesses accurately

855
00:43:14,540 --> 00:43:10,660
described what happened over seven years

856
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:14,550
ago there's been a long time for

857
00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:16,810
American scientists and perhaps from

858
00:43:21,740 --> 00:43:18,940
other nations as well to study many

859
00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:21,750
aspects of the flying saucer technology

860
00:43:28,770 --> 00:43:23,950
nobody knows how far along they've

861
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,780
gotten but sudden as I agree with you

862
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:30,640
suddenly integrating such technologies

863
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:32,890
into our technological culture could

864
00:43:39,930 --> 00:43:36,370
have disastrous consequences so with

865
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:39,940
that with with that analysis that this

866
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:42,370
from from my point of view as a peace

867
00:43:48,180 --> 00:43:44,530
and social justice activist is one who

868
00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:48,190
has been involved with working around

869
00:43:53,220 --> 00:43:52,030
issues of world peace and I was a member

870
00:43:55,380 --> 00:43:53,230
of physicians for Social Responsibility

871
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:55,390
which was part of the international

872
00:44:00,920 --> 00:43:57,130
physicians for the Prevention of nuclear

873
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:00,930
war that won the Nobel Prize in 1985 I

874
00:44:09,090 --> 00:44:05,710
see the UFO problem through the blinders

875
00:44:12,090 --> 00:44:09,100
perhaps or at least the the prism of

876
00:44:15,420 --> 00:44:12,100
being someone who is very interested in

877
00:44:15,690 --> 00:44:15,430
having good relations not only here on

878
00:44:20,670 --> 00:44:15,700
earth

879
00:44:22,829 --> 00:44:20,680
extraterrestrials are here you try to

880
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:22,839
reach out and extend a hand of

881
00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:25,089
friendship to them as well and this is

882
00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:27,550
why I found dr. Greer's a initial

883
00:44:34,290 --> 00:44:30,460
message of the ce-5 initiative very

884
00:44:36,530 --> 00:44:34,300
attractive sure enough as I tried to say

885
00:44:39,210 --> 00:44:36,540
earlier when we had technical problems

886
00:44:42,030 --> 00:44:39,220
my contact team went into operation in

887
00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:42,040
1992 and right off the bat we had

888
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:44,260
sightings of anomalous structured

889
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:46,450
objects that at least fulfilled our

890
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:48,880
definition of UFOs and on several

891
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:52,720
occasions for example in Mexico in 1993

892
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:54,910
when I was there at the base of puppet

893
00:44:59,880 --> 00:44:57,250
of Capitol volcano with four other

894
00:45:01,980 --> 00:44:59,890
researchers including dr. Greer a UFO

895
00:45:04,770 --> 00:45:01,990
the size of a city block blocked out

896
00:45:07,890 --> 00:45:04,780
this came out of behind the volcano and

897
00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:07,900
this was 100 miles to the east of Mexico

898
00:45:13,859 --> 00:45:10,150
City in the volcanic zone massive

899
00:45:16,290 --> 00:45:13,869
volcanoes UFO that we saw that night and

900
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:16,300
signaled at us was several hundred feet

901
00:45:22,170 --> 00:45:19,839
across it blacked out the stores sky as

902
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:22,180
it moved you could not see stars behind

903
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:25,440
it was a solid object and I can tell you

904
00:45:31,609 --> 00:45:28,089
it was not the Mexican Air Force on

905
00:45:34,349 --> 00:45:31,619
maneuvers so I was very enthusiastic

906
00:45:37,230 --> 00:45:34,359
initially however things did not always

907
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:37,240
go as we had planned and we had a number

908
00:45:43,470 --> 00:45:39,250
of problems which I can get into that

909
00:45:45,930 --> 00:45:43,480
were both but based on in terms of the

910
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:45,940
limitations of our teams as well as the

911
00:45:48,990 --> 00:45:47,170
fact that our teams were under

912
00:45:50,910 --> 00:45:49,000
considerable surveillance and that

913
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:50,920
mainly had to do with dr. Greer's

914
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:53,650
relationship with the the intelligence

915
00:45:58,829 --> 00:45:57,130
community so you're you're totally

916
00:46:01,309 --> 00:45:58,839
convinced that he actually has a

917
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:01,319
connection to the intelligence community

918
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:05,440
still oh I I met I met the head of the

919
00:46:12,750 --> 00:46:08,890
Arlington Institute a man by the name of

920
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:12,760
John Peterson who was part of dr. Greer

921
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:16,000
entourage in 1992 they were as thick as

922
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:19,089
thieves he was the man a friend and a

923
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:22,329
personal friend of CIA director Woolsey

924
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:24,609
who set up what dr. Greer called

925
00:46:28,650 --> 00:46:26,770
briefing but really was not a briefing

926
00:46:30,370 --> 00:46:28,660
it was a meeting that went on for two

927
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:30,380
and a half hour

928
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:33,890
yeah I I was very much aware that dr.

929
00:46:44,589 --> 00:46:40,160
Greer like Tom DeLonge and before dr.

930
00:46:47,260 --> 00:46:44,599
Greer like um Bill Moore were working

931
00:46:49,420 --> 00:46:47,270
with insiders as part of what Grant

932
00:46:52,990 --> 00:46:49,430
Cameron calls a gradual acclamation

933
00:46:55,900 --> 00:46:53,000
program to alert the public to the

934
00:46:58,660 --> 00:46:55,910
reality of UFOs I highly recommend grant

935
00:47:00,910 --> 00:46:58,670
Cameron's book I have to say that I was

936
00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:00,920
very confused about what was going on

937
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:02,950
with C SETI in terms of the early years

938
00:47:08,349 --> 00:47:06,290
because given my background in peace and

939
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:08,359
social justice I looked with great

940
00:47:13,930 --> 00:47:10,880
suspicion at his contacts within the

941
00:47:22,180 --> 00:47:13,940
intelligence community when I met John

942
00:47:26,140 --> 00:47:22,190
Peterson in 1990 1992 he talked about

943
00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:26,150
his job as a Navy aviator an elite

944
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:28,990
airman who was based in the Tonkin Bay

945
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:32,720
and his job was to support American

946
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:35,569
fighting men and women against the Viet

947
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:38,650
Cong and the North Vietnamese regulars

948
00:47:43,359 --> 00:47:40,970
but as a peace and social justice

949
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,369
activist I was very much aware of the

950
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:45,440
tremendous cost the bombing campaign

951
00:47:49,859 --> 00:47:48,050
against Vietnam had in terms of hundreds

952
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:49,869
of thousands of people being killed

953
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:53,930
civilians so I I did not appreciate dr.

954
00:47:58,300 --> 00:47:55,730
Greer's connection with many of these

955
00:48:02,260 --> 00:47:58,310
people and that that contributed in part

956
00:48:05,380 --> 00:48:02,270
am i leaving he said he in 1998 after

957
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:05,390
working with him for five years so

958
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:07,130
you're not a part of that anymore at

959
00:48:13,420 --> 00:48:10,010
this point spoken to dr. Greer in 20

960
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:13,430
years I support his early work in terms

961
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:16,490
of the cv5 initiative however other

962
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:19,280
developments have occurred which have to

963
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:21,710
do with his role in this with Grant

964
00:48:26,829 --> 00:48:24,290
Cameron calls acclimatization program or

965
00:48:29,410 --> 00:48:26,839
acclimation program there are aspects of

966
00:48:32,190 --> 00:48:29,420
that work which involved release of

967
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:32,200
disinformation and that I don't like

968
00:48:39,609 --> 00:48:38,000
it's not it's not an easy thing to

969
00:48:42,730 --> 00:48:39,619
accept that the person that you had

970
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:42,740
great confidence in for many years

971
00:48:50,109 --> 00:48:45,110
is putting out information that's you

972
00:48:54,130 --> 00:48:50,119
know obviously I'm sure yeah

973
00:48:57,340 --> 00:48:54,140
well that's interesting and you know I I

974
00:48:59,650 --> 00:48:57,350
well I have watched his film said he's

975
00:49:00,850 --> 00:48:59,660
tried to make and you know and I don't

976
00:49:03,820 --> 00:49:00,860
know if this is true or not but I

977
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:03,830
understand that he's still he still

978
00:49:12,970 --> 00:49:09,650
believes in the Atacama you know I don't

979
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:12,980
want to say that being that was found in

980
00:49:17,590 --> 00:49:15,050
the Atacama Desert he still believes

981
00:49:19,690 --> 00:49:17,600
that is basically alien as far as I know

982
00:49:22,180 --> 00:49:19,700
maybe he doesn't believe it but I think

983
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:22,190
that's what's that's what I'm hearing

984
00:49:29,260 --> 00:49:24,890
yeah yeah I think what happened to dr.

985
00:49:37,290 --> 00:49:29,270
Greer is what happens to any individual

986
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,300
who is cut off from his profession in

987
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:39,680
1997-98 he made a decision to stop

988
00:49:44,850 --> 00:49:41,090
working as an emergency room physician

989
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:44,860
and he was basically left without any

990
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:48,170
support he was going working when we

991
00:49:52,750 --> 00:49:50,330
work together as an ER and we didn't

992
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:52,760
work in the same er but as fill er

993
00:49:54,970 --> 00:49:54,410
physicians he was making more money than

994
00:49:58,599 --> 00:49:54,980
I was

995
00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:58,609
Oh close to $200,000 a year and when he

996
00:50:05,950 --> 00:50:02,240
gave up his work in medicine he had

997
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:05,960
several children at home wanted they

998
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:07,369
want to want to put them through college

999
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,650
he had other bills to pay and so all of

1000
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:14,480
a sudden the the training of the

1001
00:50:21,849 --> 00:50:17,510
workshops that when I was trained by him

1002
00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:21,859
was $40.00 1993 now all of a sudden he's

1003
00:50:26,530 --> 00:50:23,390
charging two and three thousand dollars

1004
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:26,540
for a one-week seminar that was

1005
00:50:31,330 --> 00:50:28,310
basically supplying him with sustenance

1006
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:31,340
and the the videos and the sensational

1007
00:50:38,410 --> 00:50:34,730
claims that he made by the exaggerations

1008
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,420
that he made are understandable in terms

1009
00:50:44,020 --> 00:50:41,200
of someone who now had to make a living

1010
00:50:46,690 --> 00:50:44,030
within the in the cottage industry of

1011
00:50:50,260 --> 00:50:46,700
the UFO subculture selling books selling

1012
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:50,270
videos and that sort of thing I really I

1013
00:50:56,220 --> 00:50:53,210
really hate to see it I I understand

1014
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:56,230
that you know someone has to make a live

1015
00:51:00,920 --> 00:50:58,960
I get that and I'm lucky I don't have to

1016
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:00,930
make a living in doing what I'm doing

1017
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:05,890
this is you know for fun but I

1018
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:08,770
understand there's that struggle but

1019
00:51:14,250 --> 00:51:11,410
there's also you you saw when the line

1020
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:14,260
was crossed and unfortunately you were

1021
00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:18,330
smarter enough to to stop participating

1022
00:51:25,380 --> 00:51:21,310
but there's unfortunately there's a lot

1023
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:25,390
of people that are caught yet and with

1024
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:28,930
this and I likened you know you may not

1025
00:51:34,260 --> 00:51:31,330
like this but I've likened him to a cult

1026
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:34,270
leader in and I don't know you know what

1027
00:51:39,210 --> 00:51:37,510
your thoughts are on that but a cult is

1028
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:39,220
a secular religion and and the

1029
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:41,410
accusation has been made by our critics

1030
00:51:50,300 --> 00:51:44,710
that all of you ethology is a cult a

1031
00:51:53,970 --> 00:51:50,310
secular religion or a cult so you know

1032
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:53,980
you know my call each other names you

1033
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:56,530
know I think what confuses people about

1034
00:52:01,230 --> 00:51:58,720
see SETI I'm sorry I'm moving the

1035
00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:01,240
computer what confuses people about

1036
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:03,630
society is that they confuse

1037
00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:06,810
consciousness work remote viewing and

1038
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:12,430
using applied sigh as with religion it

1039
00:52:18,660 --> 00:52:15,730
is not but there are spiritual aspects

1040
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:18,670
of the work which take on the

1041
00:52:24,359 --> 00:52:21,130
characteristic of religion and I can see

1042
00:52:26,310 --> 00:52:24,369
why people might accuse us going out in

1043
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:26,320
the field and meditating I think it was

1044
00:52:33,630 --> 00:52:30,720
George Knapp who said the seas dr. Greer

1045
00:52:37,580 --> 00:52:33,640
dr. Greer has followers prey to UFOs

1046
00:52:40,770 --> 00:52:37,590
well we don't pray to them but we use

1047
00:52:42,930 --> 00:52:40,780
telepathy through attempts in attempts

1048
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:42,940
to attract them to our research sites so

1049
00:52:48,330 --> 00:52:45,280
no I don't I don't think see SETI or the

1050
00:52:50,460 --> 00:52:48,340
work that I did was was called but I I'm

1051
00:52:52,890 --> 00:52:50,470
given the consciousness aspects of the

1052
00:52:55,590 --> 00:52:52,900
work and the spiritual messages that

1053
00:52:59,010 --> 00:52:55,600
many contactees receive I can understand

1054
00:53:02,520 --> 00:52:59,020
that confusion okay I'm also going to

1055
00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:02,530
let people call in now so if you'd like

1056
00:53:08,310 --> 00:53:05,950
to call in that now we you did try to

1057
00:53:09,390 --> 00:53:08,320
call me earlier and I was not able to

1058
00:53:10,590 --> 00:53:09,400
join the call

1059
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:10,600
correctly so I'm not sure if that's

1060
00:53:14,820 --> 00:53:12,400
going to work tonight but we'll give it

1061
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:14,830
a shot and that number is going up on

1062
00:53:19,830 --> 00:53:17,200
the screen on YouTube over at kgr radio

1063
00:53:23,250 --> 00:53:19,840
this is live show only call and that's

1064
00:53:26,310 --> 00:53:23,260
six zero three nine six seven four OH

1065
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:26,320
three oh I'd like to call in and ask our

1066
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:31,110
guest some questions so if someone

1067
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:33,040
doesn't call in I'm just going to

1068
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:36,930
continue on here and I do apologize for

1069
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:39,730
sleeping through the beginning of this

1070
00:53:44,820 --> 00:53:42,610
segment I I had to get a sick point not

1071
00:53:49,650 --> 00:53:44,830
to do this and well I appreciate that

1072
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:49,660
yeah and okay so when you're talking

1073
00:54:00,270 --> 00:53:55,090
about this this meditation in and you

1074
00:54:02,430 --> 00:54:00,280
know beckoning the UFO I actually had

1075
00:54:04,530 --> 00:54:02,440
have a friend that went to one of the

1076
00:54:06,510 --> 00:54:04,540
sessions or whatever you want to call it

1077
00:54:08,730 --> 00:54:06,520
out and I think it was upper state New

1078
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:08,740
York if I remember right and they

1079
00:54:15,180 --> 00:54:10,450
actually saw things now do you think

1080
00:54:19,110 --> 00:54:15,190
that when there's a group there that you

1081
00:54:23,550 --> 00:54:19,120
know there may be I don't want to say

1082
00:54:25,350 --> 00:54:23,560
like an illusion but perhaps there could

1083
00:54:27,210 --> 00:54:25,360
be a satellite or something do you think

1084
00:54:29,370 --> 00:54:27,220
people get too enthusiastic to see

1085
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:29,380
something do you ever do you ever see

1086
00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:31,810
that well sure I think that's true

1087
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:34,990
that's that's the purpose of I mean

1088
00:54:38,970 --> 00:54:37,570
that's the the reason why field

1089
00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:38,980
investigators whether they work from

1090
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:41,710
MUFON or the ce-5 initiative need to be

1091
00:54:48,650 --> 00:54:46,510
well versed in astronomy and have sky

1092
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:48,660
charts that show when satellites go over

1093
00:54:53,610 --> 00:54:50,770
when you have a large group there are

1094
00:54:56,610 --> 00:54:53,620
always people who every plane in the sky

1095
00:54:59,460 --> 00:54:56,620
is a UFO and I can tell you that I'm

1096
00:55:02,070 --> 00:54:59,470
never going to be able to vector in 747s

1097
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:02,080
that fly overhead but I have been

1098
00:55:08,550 --> 00:55:05,440
successful in attracting UFOs that

1099
00:55:10,890 --> 00:55:08,560
fulfill the criteria that have been set

1100
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:10,900
down by Sky Watch organizations like

1101
00:55:16,170 --> 00:55:14,050
MUFON that's that that fulfill the

1102
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:16,180
criteria that they are indeed anomalous

1103
00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:19,690
objects so the answer is yes there is

1104
00:55:23,010 --> 00:55:21,310
the confusion for some people might

1105
00:55:28,020 --> 00:55:23,020
shrink my team for example

1106
00:55:29,310 --> 00:55:28,030
had on it three physicians one of which

1107
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:29,320
was a private pilot

1108
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:33,040
we had several pilots also mother was a

1109
00:55:38,700 --> 00:55:36,490
747 pilot captain Joe VA who was also

1110
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:38,710
part of our team so we had a very

1111
00:55:43,790 --> 00:55:41,050
high-powered team where that did not go

1112
00:55:47,340 --> 00:55:43,800
on but I I'm sure that in other settings

1113
00:55:49,460 --> 00:55:47,350
people do get confused now you've

1114
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:49,470
touched upon a very important point that

1115
00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:51,970
that you asked me whether some of these

1116
00:55:57,390 --> 00:55:54,910
things could have been illusions and if

1117
00:56:02,100 --> 00:55:57,400
we have time during the next 45 minutes

1118
00:56:04,260 --> 00:56:02,110
I will take you on a journey of how the

1119
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:04,270
intelligence behind this phenomena that

1120
00:56:10,350 --> 00:56:06,640
I like to call UFO Intel or UFO

1121
00:56:12,660 --> 00:56:10,360
intelligence how they took me on a

1122
00:56:14,580 --> 00:56:12,670
series of contact experiences which

1123
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:14,590
showed me how they actually create

1124
00:56:21,060 --> 00:56:19,450
illusions and I out of these experiences

1125
00:56:23,790 --> 00:56:21,070
I developed a theory that I call the

1126
00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:23,800
virtual experience hypothesis and one of

1127
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:26,230
which I call a virtual experience of the

1128
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:29,650
first kind in which holographic type of

1129
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:33,130
technology is used by not humans but the

1130
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:35,170
intelligence behind UFOs to create

1131
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:37,810
illusions that we identify as flying

1132
00:56:42,810 --> 00:56:39,490
saucers but that would require

1133
00:56:44,250 --> 00:56:42,820
considerable explanation and maybe

1134
00:56:45,620 --> 00:56:44,260
there's a phone call coming and that

1135
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:45,630
needs to be addressed

1136
00:56:53,460 --> 00:56:49,090
well what and how did you know that one

1137
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:53,470
is coming in right now so lucky yes yeah

1138
00:57:01,070 --> 00:56:56,400
maybe you do have some type of conscious

1139
00:57:07,460 --> 00:57:03,930
how you doing hi your first name where

1140
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:07,470
you calling from Brian from Frederick

1141
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:12,130
what what what state is that Marilyn

1142
00:57:15,780 --> 00:57:13,570
Marilyn hi

1143
00:57:18,020 --> 00:57:15,790
welcome to the show you have a question

1144
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:18,030
for our guest I do

1145
00:57:25,140 --> 00:57:23,650
now when you say craft or whatever what

1146
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:25,150
you saw you saw life did you ever see a

1147
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:27,970
craft over there just only light okay

1148
00:57:34,650 --> 00:57:30,240
very good question

1149
00:57:36,510 --> 00:57:34,660
Rozsival the the encounter at at the

1150
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:36,520
base of puppet of kettle volcano

1151
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:37,520
February

1152
00:57:42,580 --> 00:57:40,610
nineteen ninety-three who was night was

1153
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:42,590
a large triangular shaped object it

1154
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:44,960
appeared we know the distance there was

1155
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:46,850
a seven miles away because I had gotten

1156
00:57:53,340 --> 00:57:50,930
from UCLA detailed maps showing the

1157
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:53,350
relationship of the two volcanoes

1158
00:57:57,730 --> 00:57:55,490
Popocatepetl in that seat waffle and

1159
00:58:00,760 --> 00:57:57,740
this object initially appeared as an

1160
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:00,770
amber light in the distance we signaled

1161
00:58:04,900 --> 00:58:03,410
at it and had changed direction it had

1162
00:58:07,420 --> 00:58:04,910
initially been moving at an oblique

1163
00:58:09,940 --> 00:58:07,430
angle away from our position as soon as

1164
00:58:12,970 --> 00:58:09,950
we signal that it it started heading

1165
00:58:15,010 --> 00:58:12,980
right towards us was moving not very

1166
00:58:17,650 --> 00:58:15,020
quickly by the time it got to within a

1167
00:58:21,330 --> 00:58:17,660
mile but it was clearly a triangular

1168
00:58:24,609 --> 00:58:21,340
shape it was several hundred feet across

1169
00:58:28,359 --> 00:58:24,619
because it passed over a ridge line that

1170
00:58:30,100 --> 00:58:28,369
for my maps was exactly one mile away

1171
00:58:35,790 --> 00:58:30,110
and on this ridge line was a small

1172
00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:35,800
church of maybe 50 feet across and this

1173
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:38,390
triangular shaped anomalous object that

1174
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:41,570
was totally silent made that church on

1175
00:58:47,530 --> 00:58:44,330
the horizon look like a matchbox toy it

1176
00:58:50,770 --> 00:58:47,540
was several times larger and as it

1177
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:50,780
maneuvered towards us we signaled at it

1178
00:58:56,140 --> 00:58:53,119
and it signaled back it got within a few

1179
00:58:58,480 --> 00:58:56,150
hundred yards of our position and I know

1180
00:59:00,160 --> 00:58:58,490
this sounds kind of wild but back in the

1181
00:59:02,140 --> 00:59:00,170
old days of the ce-5 initiative we

1182
00:59:04,330 --> 00:59:02,150
actually hoped to have a landing and a

1183
00:59:06,910 --> 00:59:04,340
boarding I know that sounds extreme but

1184
00:59:10,660 --> 00:59:06,920
that's what we were operating on and I

1185
00:59:13,150 --> 00:59:10,670
was I was very impressed by this because

1186
00:59:16,030 --> 00:59:13,160
I had had other contact experiences and

1187
00:59:20,020 --> 00:59:16,040
sightings but nothing's that large that

1188
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,030
close and that convincing and we

1189
00:59:24,609 --> 00:59:22,640
signaled at it it signaled back and each

1190
00:59:27,550 --> 00:59:24,619
of the apices of the triangle was a

1191
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:27,560
light and it signaled at at us from all

1192
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:31,130
three lights so that was an object at

1193
00:59:34,830 --> 00:59:33,680
least that's what we thought it was does

1194
00:59:37,230 --> 00:59:34,840
that answer the question

1195
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:37,240
yeah that's pretty freakin cool made

1196
00:59:43,870 --> 00:59:40,130
that's that was my impression to all I

1197
00:59:45,940 --> 00:59:43,880
kept saying ah yes yes we're not alone

1198
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:45,950
in the universe however subsequent

1199
00:59:50,859 --> 00:59:48,400
experiences where they were storing

1200
00:59:51,610 --> 00:59:50,869
intelligence showed me how they create a

1201
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:51,620
luge

1202
00:59:56,740 --> 00:59:54,890
brought into question my own sightings

1203
00:59:58,410 --> 00:59:56,750
as well as others well that's a whole

1204
01:00:05,020 --> 00:59:58,420
nother story

1205
01:00:07,450 --> 01:00:05,030
all right well do you think that it

1206
01:00:10,030 --> 01:00:07,460
could be like maybe like terrestrial

1207
01:00:12,220 --> 01:00:10,040
electrogravitic technology or maybe like

1208
01:00:13,870 --> 01:00:12,230
some type of like I mean when you see

1209
01:00:16,420 --> 01:00:13,880
the like like some type of cloaking I

1210
01:00:19,780 --> 01:00:16,430
don't know these are excellent questions

1211
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:19,790
I commend you because you know the

1212
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:23,510
question is rumors have been circulating

1213
01:00:27,340 --> 01:00:26,090
for decades now that the United States

1214
01:00:28,330 --> 01:00:27,350
and maybe other nations are

1215
01:00:30,610 --> 01:00:28,340
back-engineering

1216
01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:30,620
UFOs and perhaps have within their

1217
01:00:40,090 --> 01:00:35,990
possession which you would call secret

1218
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:40,100
space programs where copies of UFOs are

1219
01:00:45,610 --> 01:00:43,250
being built by military in our case the

1220
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:45,620
American military so the question is if

1221
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:50,930
you see a UFO is it ours meaning

1222
01:00:54,750 --> 01:00:51,920
back-engineered

1223
01:00:58,060 --> 01:00:54,760
or not ours meaning perhaps

1224
01:01:02,740 --> 01:00:58,070
extraterrestrial well I can tell you

1225
01:01:05,950 --> 01:01:02,750
that if that UFO was American built it

1226
01:01:09,580 --> 01:01:05,960
was operating 1500 miles away from the

1227
01:01:11,860 --> 01:01:09,590
American border American front homeland

1228
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:11,870
and if anything happened to it and it

1229
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:14,930
went down it would be very difficult the

1230
01:01:19,660 --> 01:01:17,330
United States to extract its technology

1231
01:01:23,020 --> 01:01:19,670
with the Mexican military showing up to

1232
01:01:26,170 --> 01:01:23,030
investigate so in that case because of

1233
01:01:28,270 --> 01:01:26,180
the size of the object and the distance

1234
01:01:29,950 --> 01:01:28,280
that we were from America I'm pretty

1235
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:29,960
well convinced it was not a

1236
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:34,130
back-engineered et crap it was it makes

1237
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:36,050
very long it was very large I mean I'm

1238
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:37,520
talking about something to 300 feet

1239
01:01:41,650 --> 01:01:40,010
across it was not the accident it was

1240
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:41,660
not the Mexican Air Force on the new

1241
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:43,490
versus totally silent

1242
01:01:50,890 --> 01:01:48,530
oh no visible meets the ocean

1243
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:50,900
hey thanks for the call thank you very

1244
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:53,450
much thank you very much all right have

1245
01:01:58,210 --> 01:01:55,760
a good one all right so the lines open

1246
01:01:59,680 --> 01:01:58,220
if anyone else wants to call in that

1247
01:02:04,240 --> 01:01:59,690
numbers up on the screen or if you're

1248
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:04,250
over at kgr hey radio it's a 603 nine

1249
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:05,110
six seven

1250
01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:10,490
4:03 oh and we welcome your your call it

1251
01:02:13,330 --> 01:02:11,510
sounds like you've had a lot of

1252
01:02:18,180 --> 01:02:13,340
sightings would you want to guess how

1253
01:02:25,090 --> 01:02:22,030
probably two or two or three dozen but

1254
01:02:26,890 --> 01:02:25,100
not hundreds of sightings I'm I'm not a

1255
01:02:29,500 --> 01:02:26,900
I'm not what they call an antenna

1256
01:02:31,930 --> 01:02:29,510
oh I'm not what I call a crime contact

1257
01:02:34,930 --> 01:02:31,940
II there are people who are specially

1258
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:34,940
trained that I got to meet several of

1259
01:02:39,820 --> 01:02:38,000
them who are contactees and they are

1260
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:39,830
trained in special consciousness

1261
01:02:47,110 --> 01:02:43,730
techniques as as either teenagers

1262
01:02:49,150 --> 01:02:47,120
children or young adults these people

1263
01:02:52,030 --> 01:02:49,160
like Steven Greer was in the beginning

1264
01:02:54,130 --> 01:02:52,040
not so much anymore I think but in the

1265
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:54,140
beginning dr. Greer couldn't go anywhere

1266
01:02:58,930 --> 01:02:57,050
without UFOs being showing up I went out

1267
01:03:01,870 --> 01:02:58,940
in the field with him maybe a half-dozen

1268
01:03:04,510 --> 01:03:01,880
times every time I was out in the field

1269
01:03:06,790 --> 01:03:04,520
with him we saw an an anomalous

1270
01:03:08,830 --> 01:03:06,800
structured object there was sometimes

1271
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:08,840
signaling back and forth sometimes not

1272
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:12,170
when my team went out we'd be had

1273
01:03:17,530 --> 01:03:14,210
sightings about a third of the time

1274
01:03:20,860 --> 01:03:17,540
perhaps half but there are people who

1275
01:03:23,350 --> 01:03:20,870
are specially trained who claim to have

1276
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:23,360
onboard experiences as dr. Greer claimed

1277
01:03:29,770 --> 01:03:26,450
he dad they are treated like family by

1278
01:03:31,660 --> 01:03:29,780
UFO Intel but I'm not like one of them

1279
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:31,670
so I only had a few dozen sightings in

1280
01:03:35,590 --> 01:03:33,200
the course of field work but if you

1281
01:03:38,770 --> 01:03:35,600
associate with such individuals and this

1282
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:38,780
is key it's like in Hollywood you know I

1283
01:03:46,060 --> 01:03:43,280
lived in Los Angeles for 30 years and in

1284
01:03:49,870 --> 01:03:46,070
Hollywood they say it's not what you

1285
01:03:52,660 --> 01:03:49,880
know it's who you know and when it comes

1286
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:52,670
to having sightings if you can get to be

1287
01:03:56,980 --> 01:03:54,410
a friend or hang out with one of these

1288
01:03:58,420 --> 01:03:56,990
what I call crime contactees people have

1289
01:04:00,700 --> 01:03:58,430
been specially trained and have this

1290
01:04:03,610 --> 01:04:00,710
unique relationship with UFO

1291
01:04:05,470 --> 01:04:03,620
intelligence you will see all kinds of

1292
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:05,480
things that you didn't believe were

1293
01:04:11,260 --> 01:04:08,770
possible so I actually developed a

1294
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:11,270
designation as prime contact D I met

1295
01:04:15,700 --> 01:04:13,250
about a half dozen of these people most

1296
01:04:20,620 --> 01:04:15,710
of them are men most of them are trained

1297
01:04:25,830 --> 01:04:23,410
when you are prime contact Diaz the joke

1298
01:04:28,780 --> 01:04:25,840
goes you will never be lonely again

1299
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:28,790
because UFO intelligence will manifest

1300
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:31,130
sightings wherever these people go so

1301
01:04:35,260 --> 01:04:32,810
it's not it's like in Hollywood if you

1302
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:35,270
want a good job it's not what you know

1303
01:04:40,330 --> 01:04:37,280
in terms of your talents as an actor a

1304
01:04:42,850 --> 01:04:40,340
producer it's who you know terms of

1305
01:04:44,770 --> 01:04:42,860
connections with the hierarchy in

1306
01:04:46,540 --> 01:04:44,780
Hollywood with the Hollywood elite that

1307
01:04:48,460 --> 01:04:46,550
will get you the jobs and that will get

1308
01:04:52,570 --> 01:04:48,470
you the signings if you're with a prime

1309
01:04:55,450 --> 01:04:52,580
contact II I don't know I I'm on the

1310
01:04:56,890 --> 01:04:55,460
fence about this I feel skeptical of it

1311
01:05:00,100 --> 01:04:56,900
I guess it's something that I'd have to

1312
01:05:03,010 --> 01:05:00,110
actually you know I'd have to see for

1313
01:05:06,250 --> 01:05:03,020
myself I mean I understand what you're

1314
01:05:08,410 --> 01:05:06,260
saying but I I just feel like I'd have

1315
01:05:12,340 --> 01:05:08,420
to see this for myself to really believe

1316
01:05:14,740 --> 01:05:12,350
this is real what you're saying what

1317
01:05:17,050 --> 01:05:14,750
you're saying is true that seeing is

1318
01:05:19,660 --> 01:05:17,060
believing and also believing is seeing

1319
01:05:20,830 --> 01:05:19,670
and this is part of the the equation

1320
01:05:23,710 --> 01:05:20,840
that's very difficult for us to

1321
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:23,720
understand if you after I left see sandy

1322
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:26,000
and it was very unpleasant leaving the

1323
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:28,930
organization because I had dedicated

1324
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:31,370
thousands of hours so that what I

1325
01:05:36,220 --> 01:05:34,250
imagined was the cause of Internet

1326
01:05:39,370 --> 01:05:36,230
actually the interplanetary diplomacy

1327
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:39,380
and so it was very unpleasant for me to

1328
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:41,090
leave the organization under

1329
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:45,200
circumstances that personally were were

1330
01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:48,650
very negative around the time that I

1331
01:05:54,820 --> 01:05:51,110
left I was also threatened people were

1332
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:54,830
calling my home and one individual who

1333
01:06:00,360 --> 01:05:58,010
sounded like an intelligence officer or

1334
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:00,370
maybe a lawyer working for the military

1335
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:03,770
you know he basically said you'd be

1336
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:06,170
better for you you didn't use my you're

1337
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:07,610
the news expression would be better for

1338
01:06:12,250 --> 01:06:09,610
your health but he said we'd better

1339
01:06:15,580 --> 01:06:12,260
better be for you and he's calling me at

1340
01:06:18,070 --> 01:06:15,590
home if you were no longer part of C

1341
01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:18,080
SETI so there are a lot of issues that I

1342
01:06:22,420 --> 01:06:21,110
had in terms of leaving C SETI Greer's

1343
01:06:24,730 --> 01:06:22,430
association with the intelligence

1344
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:24,740
community which is you know undoubted I

1345
01:06:29,980 --> 01:06:27,200
mean look who was on part of his

1346
01:06:32,410 --> 01:06:29,990
entourage Edgar Mitchell was working

1347
01:06:34,810 --> 01:06:32,420
very closely with dr. Greer

1348
01:06:39,100 --> 01:06:34,820
that behind closed door briefing in

1349
01:06:41,230 --> 01:06:39,110
Washington DC in 1970 in 1997 I got to

1350
01:06:44,580 --> 01:06:41,240
meet Edgar Mitchell a moonwalking

1351
01:06:48,490 --> 01:06:44,590
astronaut was helping him get witnesses

1352
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:48,500
so there were and Edgar Mitchell like me

1353
01:06:53,050 --> 01:06:50,720
and many many other people very

1354
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:53,060
dedicated to the cause of openness on

1355
01:06:57,970 --> 01:06:56,090
the subject left Steven Greer and won't

1356
01:07:01,000 --> 01:06:57,980
have anything to do with him because of

1357
01:07:05,650 --> 01:07:01,010
the problems that he got into which I

1358
01:07:10,420 --> 01:07:05,660
think makes people like you Martin feel

1359
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:10,430
he's not legit he is legit but only up

1360
01:07:17,020 --> 01:07:13,370
into a certain point and his legitimacy

1361
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:17,030
has been undermined in my opinion by his

1362
01:07:24,570 --> 01:07:18,890
relationship with the intelligence and

1363
01:07:27,130 --> 01:07:24,580
counterintelligence community what about

1364
01:07:29,830 --> 01:07:27,140
what about things were well people have

1365
01:07:32,740 --> 01:07:29,840
told me you know this is all secondary

1366
01:07:36,070 --> 01:07:32,750
you know secondhand stories but have

1367
01:07:39,610 --> 01:07:36,080
told me that he charged people to take a

1368
01:07:43,930 --> 01:07:39,620
photo of themselves inside of a UFO that

1369
01:07:48,310 --> 01:07:43,940
was supposedly there and he locked

1370
01:07:49,660 --> 01:07:48,320
people into one of his conferences you

1371
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:49,670
know with security guards at the door

1372
01:07:54,850 --> 01:07:51,170
you know things like that I mean that's

1373
01:07:57,550 --> 01:07:54,860
these that's the part of relying on

1374
01:07:59,500 --> 01:07:57,560
rumors I wasn't at that at that event

1375
01:08:00,070 --> 01:07:59,510
that you described where the doors were

1376
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:00,080
locked

1377
01:08:11,290 --> 01:08:02,530
I think what happened in Barcelona in

1378
01:08:15,100 --> 01:08:11,300
2009 or 2010 yeah and I spoke to someone

1379
01:08:17,290 --> 01:08:15,110
who was there and what what you heard

1380
01:08:19,450 --> 01:08:17,300
was not exactly correct there were

1381
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:19,460
security guards running around and at

1382
01:08:25,900 --> 01:08:22,610
one point the the doors were locked

1383
01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:25,910
because there were people who are trying

1384
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:28,310
to get in for free and so the doors were

1385
01:08:32,710 --> 01:08:30,410
locked that was that was the story as

1386
01:08:35,230 --> 01:08:32,720
explained to me plain I would then there

1387
01:08:40,810 --> 01:08:35,240
was other unfortunate events that

1388
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:40,820
occurred where dr. Greer was rather I

1389
01:08:45,340 --> 01:08:42,890
believe insensitive to the audience now

1390
01:08:46,210 --> 01:08:45,350
he's in Spain in 2010 if you know

1391
01:08:48,130 --> 01:08:46,220
anything about

1392
01:08:51,370 --> 01:08:48,140
vanish history you know that they lived

1393
01:08:53,620 --> 01:08:51,380
under fascism for 30 30 40 years under

1394
01:08:55,810 --> 01:08:53,630
the the Franco dictatorship so there was

1395
01:08:58,240 --> 01:08:55,820
one emotionally distraught fellow who

1396
01:09:01,660 --> 01:08:58,250
was trying to get dr. Greer's attention

1397
01:09:03,250 --> 01:09:01,670
before he got on stage and dr. who

1398
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:03,260
according to this eyewitness that I

1399
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:05,600
trust he asked me not to use his name

1400
01:09:11,700 --> 01:09:08,890
but he's a prominent investigator said

1401
01:09:15,370 --> 01:09:11,710
dr. Greer just brushed this guy off oh

1402
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:15,380
well when dr. Harris on the stage

1403
01:09:20,410 --> 01:09:17,690
this gentleman rushed the stage and got

1404
01:09:23,710 --> 01:09:20,420
on the stage and starts trying to ask

1405
01:09:27,370 --> 01:09:23,720
him the question that he wasn't allowed

1406
01:09:29,350 --> 01:09:27,380
to ask in private well doctor here had

1407
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:29,360
security people who escorted that

1408
01:09:35,260 --> 01:09:32,290
individual off the stage now I've heard

1409
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:35,270
Steven Greer supporters tell that that

1410
01:09:40,060 --> 01:09:38,330
was Anasuya that was a an attempt on dr.

1411
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:40,070
Greer's life yeah I always hear stuff

1412
01:09:45,190 --> 01:09:41,090
like that yeah

1413
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:45,200
and I've told a lot to much that dr.

1414
01:09:48,910 --> 01:09:47,120
Greer has told those stories as well

1415
01:09:51,190 --> 01:09:48,920
well I didn't hear them from dr. gear

1416
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:51,200
Greer but I did hear them from others

1417
01:10:01,140 --> 01:09:54,770
and I corrected them on that dr. Greer

1418
01:10:05,230 --> 01:10:01,150
at that 2009 or 2010 Barcelona meeting

1419
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:05,240
made some rather insensitive remarks

1420
01:10:10,810 --> 01:10:06,890
where he was on the stage where he said

1421
01:10:12,610 --> 01:10:10,820
something like if I told you what I know

1422
01:10:13,300 --> 01:10:12,620
about the phenomena I would have to get

1423
01:10:16,090 --> 01:10:13,310
you killed

1424
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:16,100
you know like that joke that Obama makes

1425
01:10:22,420 --> 01:10:19,360
when when ten-year-olds asked him about

1426
01:10:24,430 --> 01:10:22,430
what happens in the Oval Office when

1427
01:10:26,650 --> 01:10:24,440
they discuss UFOs and President Obama

1428
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:26,660
said if I told you I'd have to kill you

1429
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:28,970
right well very practically use that

1430
01:10:33,870 --> 01:10:31,010
same rather well I think it's someone in

1431
01:10:36,130 --> 01:10:33,880
poor taste well people get angry because

1432
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:36,140
here's an authority figure threatening

1433
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:37,760
to kill them and they've lived for fat

1434
01:10:42,970 --> 01:10:39,770
under fascism for 30 years you know what

1435
01:10:45,970 --> 01:10:42,980
I'm saying is that sort of thing yeah we

1436
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:45,980
have a caller on the line caller is it

1437
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:46,960
Donny

1438
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:50,210
it is it is Martin how is your neighbor

1439
01:10:55,900 --> 01:10:53,360
wasn't me hey good now thanks for

1440
01:10:57,970 --> 01:10:55,910
calling in so this is this is Donny

1441
01:10:59,950 --> 01:10:57,980
who's actually been in studio a number

1442
01:11:03,400 --> 01:10:59,960
of times I don't

1443
01:11:05,050 --> 01:11:03,410
yeah he has video studio looks a lot

1444
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:05,060
better than the last time I saw it mind

1445
01:11:10,990 --> 01:11:09,290
its improved quite a bit yeah I just had

1446
01:11:15,460 --> 01:11:11,000
a quick observation I wanted to make

1447
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:15,470
witty guess first firstly I hold in high

1448
01:11:19,530 --> 01:11:16,010
regard

1449
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:19,540
men and women who go out there who are

1450
01:11:23,140 --> 01:11:21,530
medical professionals in your case

1451
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:23,150
position go out there and deliver

1452
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:25,370
services to the needy in particular

1453
01:11:30,340 --> 01:11:28,640
people who may be guests in this country

1454
01:11:31,620 --> 01:11:30,350
of migrant farm workers and I think

1455
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:31,630
that's wonderful and I would never

1456
01:11:38,260 --> 01:11:36,560
degrade or I would never question your

1457
01:11:40,990 --> 01:11:38,270
integrity because obviously you're a man

1458
01:11:44,590 --> 01:11:41,000
of integrity but one thing that that

1459
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:44,600
sticks in my craw with this whole this

1460
01:11:48,940 --> 01:11:47,810
whole unique group of people that when

1461
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:48,950
they're there you know you're going to

1462
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:50,810
see things and when you go to polka

1463
01:11:55,870 --> 01:11:53,930
petal and between Puebla in Mexico City

1464
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:55,880
with these people you're going to see

1465
01:12:01,150 --> 01:11:59,120
things and I come from background in the

1466
01:12:04,270 --> 01:12:01,160
law I mean I was a policeman please

1467
01:12:07,150 --> 01:12:04,280
investigate her attorney for nearly my

1468
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:07,160
entire adult life and the thing that

1469
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:11,330
just really bothers me about that is you

1470
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:12,890
know these things are going to are going

1471
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:15,440
to appear where are the cameras you're

1472
01:12:20,710 --> 01:12:18,170
there with a I mean I'm not saying it as

1473
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:20,720
a slam against you so please don't take

1474
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:23,510
it that way but this is a great this is

1475
01:12:27,460 --> 01:12:25,730
a great question because I there's I

1476
01:12:29,890 --> 01:12:27,470
left out the part of the story about

1477
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:29,900
polka capital that's very important and

1478
01:12:32,260 --> 01:12:31,610
your question gives it gives me an

1479
01:12:34,420 --> 01:12:32,270
opportunity

1480
01:12:38,350 --> 01:12:34,430
so go ahead complete your question if

1481
01:12:40,570 --> 01:12:38,360
you and I'll answer it okay doctor and

1482
01:12:43,690 --> 01:12:40,580
and I I think that you know we have an

1483
01:12:49,060 --> 01:12:43,700
aviation specialist there's why he

1484
01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:49,070
mentioned some 47 heavy pilot who you

1485
01:12:54,190 --> 01:12:50,450
know it's the cream of the crop really

1486
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:54,200
of all commercial airline pilots you

1487
01:13:01,900 --> 01:12:58,400
know why didn't somebody have a FLIR

1488
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:01,910
infrared night-vision camera rolling why

1489
01:13:09,940 --> 01:13:05,650
didn't somebody have cameras that took

1490
01:13:12,220 --> 01:13:09,950
different images across the visible and

1491
01:13:13,660 --> 01:13:12,230
the invisible light spectrum all these

1492
01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:13,670
different things think about the

1493
01:13:17,410 --> 01:13:15,110
treasure trove of evidence that would

1494
01:13:19,150 --> 01:13:17,420
have produced and the people who are

1495
01:13:21,010 --> 01:13:19,160
going to this thing knew that these

1496
01:13:22,270 --> 01:13:21,020
things or they told everybody that they

1497
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:22,280
knew these things were going to appear

1498
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:25,130
so everybody was unnoticed yes yeah I

1499
01:13:29,919 --> 01:13:27,530
guess okay this is a great question

1500
01:13:32,290 --> 01:13:29,929
because I've written a position paper

1501
01:13:35,340 --> 01:13:32,300
huh and with China the position papers

1502
01:13:39,180 --> 01:13:35,350
why does UFO intelligence deny

1503
01:13:42,250 --> 01:13:39,190
experiencers quality videos of them okay

1504
01:13:44,860 --> 01:13:42,260
you have to remember that in the UFO

1505
01:13:48,060 --> 01:13:44,870
field because the majority of people are

1506
01:13:51,100 --> 01:13:48,070
very skeptical they say that if you

1507
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:51,110
don't have a photograph of your

1508
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:54,530
encounter it didn't happen and then if

1509
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:56,449
you do produce a photograph or a video

1510
01:13:59,500 --> 01:13:59,120
then they'll tell you it's a cgi it's a

1511
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:59,510
hoax

1512
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:02,000
so you're damned if you do and damned if

1513
01:14:06,010 --> 01:14:02,570
you don't

1514
01:14:07,959 --> 01:14:06,020
well I get that I get that in and I'm

1515
01:14:11,290 --> 01:14:07,969
sorry to cut you off me I just study

1516
01:14:14,350 --> 01:14:11,300
I've sent people I sent people to prison

1517
01:14:16,810 --> 01:14:14,360
for long periods of time based on based

1518
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:16,820
on on testimonial evidence if people get

1519
01:14:20,650 --> 01:14:18,080
up on the stand and they tell their

1520
01:14:22,540 --> 01:14:20,660
version and at the end of it the jury

1521
01:14:25,570 --> 01:14:22,550
changes to believe the person's

1522
01:14:27,459 --> 01:14:25,580
testimony and the defendant goes to jail

1523
01:14:29,979 --> 01:14:27,469
for a long period of time I get that I

1524
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:29,989
really do and I'm not discounting the

1525
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:31,489
fact that there are people who just

1526
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:33,290
witnesses for these things and they see

1527
01:14:38,110 --> 01:14:36,080
things but what I'm saying is for but

1528
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:38,120
God say you know these things are gonna

1529
01:14:42,430 --> 01:14:40,489
be there well know that these things are

1530
01:14:44,500 --> 01:14:42,440
going oh what happened okay I'm gonna

1531
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:44,510
cut you off because this is it's gonna

1532
01:14:46,959 --> 01:14:46,400
require a little bit of explanation I

1533
01:14:48,910 --> 01:14:46,969
think I okay

1534
01:14:50,410 --> 01:14:48,920
oh I'll hang up and take the take the

1535
01:14:52,300 --> 01:14:50,420
answer offline thank you doctor okay

1536
01:14:54,939 --> 01:14:52,310
Thank You Tori so what happened well

1537
01:14:58,300 --> 01:14:54,949
Bogut epital is very instructive okay we

1538
01:15:02,250 --> 01:14:58,310
had with us oh this is 1993 so we did

1539
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:02,260
not have a full array of inexpensive

1540
01:15:12,820 --> 01:15:07,600
infrared or night-vision goggles we had

1541
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:12,830
olympus a 60 zoom camera that was the

1542
01:15:17,970 --> 01:15:14,690
state-of-the-art then but wasn't really

1543
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:17,980
very effective at night what happened

1544
01:15:26,500 --> 01:15:22,810
was truly amazing because as this UFO

1545
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:26,510
starts coming out between the volcanoes

1546
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:28,730
as is approaching to us and now this is

1547
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:30,050
the part that some of you in the

1548
01:15:34,780 --> 01:15:32,480
audience are going to say oh dr. Burks

1549
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:34,790
is now going to tell whopper what

1550
01:15:40,780 --> 01:15:37,520
happened at that point was every piece

1551
01:15:43,300 --> 01:15:40,790
of our electronic and non electronic

1552
01:15:46,510 --> 01:15:43,310
camera equipment stopped functioning

1553
01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:46,520
we had a cheap brownie what they used to

1554
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:49,490
call Hawkeye or little click click they

1555
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:51,890
would have a spring operated a mechanism

1556
01:15:59,080 --> 01:15:54,610
that stopped working we had a

1557
01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:59,090
35-millimeter single lens reflex with a

1558
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:01,280
computer chip that camera stopped

1559
01:16:09,730 --> 01:16:05,570
working and the olympus state-of-the-art

1560
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:09,740
video camera stopped working as well and

1561
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:13,250
it was kind of weird because when we

1562
01:16:19,030 --> 01:16:15,920
examined the the camera afterwards you

1563
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:19,040
could hear us talking about what

1564
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:23,090
happened before the sighting and then

1565
01:16:28,690 --> 01:16:25,850
you could hear about what happened after

1566
01:16:30,340 --> 01:16:28,700
the sighting and the audio but when the

1567
01:16:32,710 --> 01:16:30,350
sighting actually occurred and this

1568
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:32,720
object was close none of our equipment

1569
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:35,600
worked and I'm talking about even

1570
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:38,000
squeezing down on the brownie the spring

1571
01:16:43,330 --> 01:16:41,090
operated camera it did not click now

1572
01:16:46,270 --> 01:16:43,340
what what do you go away from that

1573
01:16:48,610 --> 01:16:46,280
experience with you can say well dr.

1574
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:48,620
Burks just made this up or that you know

1575
01:16:55,630 --> 01:16:52,610
he's lying or you could say that perhaps

1576
01:16:59,010 --> 01:16:55,640
someone that has the capability of doing

1577
01:17:01,150 --> 01:16:59,020
this and I think it was UFO intelligence

1578
01:17:04,420 --> 01:17:01,160
prevented us from getting that

1579
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:04,430
documentation dr. Greer has only been

1580
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:06,770
able to produce quality video on one

1581
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:09,290
occasion and that was the Gulf Breeze

1582
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:11,840
citing that occurred in the spring of

1583
01:17:17,620 --> 01:17:15,410
1992 but I can tell you that was a very

1584
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:17,630
important sighting because it recruited

1585
01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:20,810
me and it happened short distance away

1586
01:17:27,700 --> 01:17:25,040
from the Pensacola Naval Air Station

1587
01:17:29,740 --> 01:17:27,710
this is Gulf Breeze now there was three

1588
01:17:31,420 --> 01:17:29,750
UFOs or maybe four that showed up and on

1589
01:17:34,180 --> 01:17:31,430
that footage you can clearly see the

1590
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:34,190
UFOs the power ring and the signaling

1591
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:36,560
back and forth now that video is

1592
01:17:40,279 --> 01:17:39,440
available on the internet and on the

1593
01:17:43,069 --> 01:17:40,289
basis of that

1594
01:17:46,339 --> 01:17:43,079
I joined si city but I can tell you that

1595
01:17:49,069 --> 01:17:46,349
if si said he got quality video of UFOs

1596
01:17:50,629 --> 01:17:49,079
every time he went out and field there

1597
01:17:52,850 --> 01:17:50,639
would be millions of looky-loos

1598
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:52,860
following us around trying to get

1599
01:17:57,620 --> 01:17:54,690
pictures and we would never be able to

1600
01:18:00,040 --> 01:17:57,630
have do our research in anything that

1601
01:18:04,339 --> 01:18:00,050
would approach security or

1602
01:18:05,899 --> 01:18:04,349
confidentiality now I believe that the

1603
01:18:08,779 --> 01:18:05,909
capability exists to get that

1604
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:08,789
documentation and it is my hope that the

1605
01:18:12,770 --> 01:18:10,800
contact network that I'm an activist in

1606
01:18:15,470 --> 01:18:12,780
even though I don't have anything to do

1607
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:15,480
with dr. Greer I still keep tabs on the

1608
01:18:21,709 --> 01:18:17,010
network that he founded with sherry

1609
01:18:24,290 --> 01:18:21,719
adamak and I think that someday UFO

1610
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:24,300
Intel will not Jam our cameras but they

1611
01:18:28,609 --> 01:18:26,880
will allow us to not only get video

1612
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:28,619
documentation of our encounters with

1613
01:18:33,709 --> 01:18:30,650
them but we will be able to get live

1614
01:18:36,109 --> 01:18:33,719
footage that we can broadcast over the

1615
01:18:38,359 --> 01:18:36,119
internet just like this conversation is

1616
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:38,369
being broadcast and what I envision in

1617
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:41,610
the future is that teams perhaps dozens

1618
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:43,920
of teams all over the world linked to

1619
01:18:50,089 --> 01:18:46,530
the internet getting quality video of

1620
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:50,099
the encounters of UFO crash occur craft

1621
01:18:54,259 --> 01:18:52,050
in order to do that there would have to

1622
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:54,269
be a stand stand down order from the

1623
01:18:59,600 --> 01:18:57,570
military that has in the past of many

1624
01:19:03,919 --> 01:18:59,610
occasions attempted and possibly

1625
01:19:08,270 --> 01:19:03,929
successfully shot them down so do you

1626
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:08,280
think that there they're just any type

1627
01:19:13,549 --> 01:19:11,610
of equipment at all that it would be

1628
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:13,559
interrupted you are you said a brownie

1629
01:19:17,089 --> 01:19:15,570
camera you know these are for the person

1630
01:19:19,339 --> 01:19:17,099
that's young that never heard of them

1631
01:19:21,620 --> 01:19:19,349
before these are old cameras back and

1632
01:19:23,959 --> 01:19:21,630
they think in the 40s they started I

1633
01:19:25,850 --> 01:19:23,969
can't remember exactly when but they

1634
01:19:28,899 --> 01:19:25,860
were these cameras that anyone could

1635
01:19:31,850 --> 01:19:28,909
afford and have a very simple mechanical

1636
01:19:33,709 --> 01:19:31,860
camera and we're not talking digital

1637
01:19:36,350 --> 01:19:33,719
here we're talking to film developing

1638
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:36,360
all that stuff so the only electronic

1639
01:19:41,899 --> 01:19:38,400
part of that camera is that is the flash

1640
01:19:44,330 --> 01:19:41,909
everything is mechanical yeah now UFO

1641
01:19:46,580 --> 01:19:44,340
elegans shut down our cameras in my

1642
01:19:50,419 --> 01:19:46,590
opinion although I can't prove but well

1643
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:50,429
you know I I would pass that off as just

1644
01:19:55,980 --> 01:19:53,050
another you know

1645
01:19:59,820 --> 01:19:55,990
kind of far-out thing but so many people

1646
01:20:01,650 --> 01:19:59,830
have said that you know people that I've

1647
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:01,660
known that actually had an encounter

1648
01:20:06,810 --> 01:20:04,510
they had video equipment right there and

1649
01:20:09,330 --> 01:20:06,820
the battery all of a sudden was dead on

1650
01:20:11,070 --> 01:20:09,340
all of their equipment they had two or

1651
01:20:13,020 --> 01:20:11,080
three cameras battery dead on every one

1652
01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:13,030
of the cell phone battery dead

1653
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:16,450
everything and that goes along with

1654
01:20:22,170 --> 01:20:19,090
people talking about their cars having

1655
01:20:25,650 --> 01:20:22,180
an ignition interference and nothing at

1656
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:25,660
all working in their car so but when it

1657
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:27,250
comes to a mechanical camera that

1658
01:20:32,370 --> 01:20:29,050
doesn't even seem like it could make any

1659
01:20:35,010 --> 01:20:32,380
sense well you know this is if I had

1660
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:35,020
time and perhaps you'll forgive me for

1661
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:36,850
being late and you'll invite me back

1662
01:20:40,530 --> 01:20:39,040
some future time but if I had time I

1663
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:40,540
could take you through this step-by-step

1664
01:20:47,490 --> 01:20:45,130
journey how UFO Intel or you want to

1665
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:47,500
call a UFO intelligence or or a higher

1666
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:49,210
intelligence agency that's the way

1667
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:51,280
Jacques Vallee referred to them once in

1668
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:55,210
messengers of deception that they took

1669
01:20:59,520 --> 01:20:57,280
me on a series of encounters where they

1670
01:21:02,430 --> 01:20:59,530
showed me how they create illusion and

1671
01:21:06,060 --> 01:21:02,440
one of the things they do is that they

1672
01:21:09,060 --> 01:21:06,070
can put down onto camera images that

1673
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:09,070
don't represent any physical object so

1674
01:21:14,970 --> 01:21:13,450
you will be shooting the sky later on

1675
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:14,980
you don't see anything later on you see

1676
01:21:21,090 --> 01:21:17,920
the UFO was that really there or did

1677
01:21:22,910 --> 01:21:21,100
they mechanically I mean electro using

1678
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:22,920
their command of electromagnetism

1679
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:26,290
digitally impart that image on the

1680
01:21:31,500 --> 01:21:28,960
camera and there's some evidence in the

1681
01:21:35,460 --> 01:21:31,510
paranormal literature to show how this

1682
01:21:37,890 --> 01:21:35,470
could be done if anyone is red or seeing

1683
01:21:40,770 --> 01:21:37,900
the very important video about the skull

1684
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:40,780
investigations in England in the 1990s

1685
01:21:46,290 --> 01:21:41,440
it's called

1686
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:46,300
the afterlife the afterlife experiments

1687
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:48,370
or the afterlife investigation that's it

1688
01:21:53,190 --> 01:21:51,090
it's available free on YouTube

1689
01:21:57,540 --> 01:21:53,200
investigators working with what they

1690
01:22:01,410 --> 01:21:57,550
thought were spirits had film that was

1691
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:01,420
from the factory undeveloped and when

1692
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:03,970
they had encounters with beings on this

1693
01:22:06,900 --> 01:22:06,130
film when it was developed on site they

1694
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:06,910
saw image

1695
01:22:13,380 --> 01:22:09,370
of people and places people who had died

1696
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:13,390
and images from from years past well the

1697
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:15,850
so called spirits can do that in

1698
01:22:20,190 --> 01:22:18,370
paranormal literate investigations

1699
01:22:23,820 --> 01:22:20,200
I think UFO intelligence could probably

1700
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:23,830
do the same so is it real whereas the

1701
01:22:28,260 --> 01:22:25,810
old commercial used to go I'm dating

1702
01:22:32,970 --> 01:22:28,270
myself now or is it Memorex you know

1703
01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:32,980
number yeah for those of that the

1704
01:22:37,230 --> 01:22:34,710
Millennials out there listening that's

1705
01:22:39,480 --> 01:22:37,240
those were tapes they were cassette

1706
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:39,490
tapes that you could record on and

1707
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:41,890
that's how we used to get our music used

1708
01:22:53,340 --> 01:22:44,410
to record on those tapes and listen to

1709
01:22:58,110 --> 01:22:53,350
them you know I uh never 8-track so the

1710
01:23:01,920 --> 01:22:58,120
older generation yeah so so are there

1711
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:01,930
any other questions not I know there's

1712
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:03,730
been a bunch of questions that have come

1713
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:08,050
up on the chat room I just have not been

1714
01:23:12,540 --> 01:23:10,330
able to get to them and anyone else a

1715
01:23:14,010 --> 01:23:12,550
welcome to call in to ask you a question

1716
01:23:19,770 --> 01:23:14,020
if I missed you and you're in the chat

1717
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:19,780
right now the number 603 967 403 oh you

1718
01:23:26,460 --> 01:23:22,690
know getting back to the imaging you're

1719
01:23:27,900 --> 01:23:26,470
talking about it just makes me want to

1720
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:27,910
say why you know the first thing that

1721
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:29,440
just comes to my mind to whether it

1722
01:23:31,740 --> 01:23:31,330
makes any sense or not is why would they

1723
01:23:34,980 --> 01:23:31,750
do that

1724
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:34,990
why would why would anything put an

1725
01:23:44,090 --> 01:23:40,170
image on on you know through a camera

1726
01:23:46,770 --> 01:23:44,100
what would be the purpose of it I guess

1727
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:46,780
part of it yes I thought about it

1728
01:23:50,820 --> 01:23:48,610
extensively and although the answers may

1729
01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:50,830
not satisfy others least they give me

1730
01:23:57,540 --> 01:23:54,490
sense of me a sense of understanding one

1731
01:24:00,000 --> 01:23:57,550
of the reasons UFO Intel produces

1732
01:24:03,540 --> 01:24:00,010
holographic like rejections that we

1733
01:24:06,690 --> 01:24:03,550
identify as flying as UFOs or a

1734
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:06,700
spacecraft is that if we live crews are

1735
01:24:10,530 --> 01:24:09,130
flying over hostile territory and we

1736
01:24:15,780 --> 01:24:10,540
have a thing in the United States that's

1737
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:15,790
called the sovereign airspace any craft

1738
01:24:20,399 --> 01:24:19,090
that enters our airspace uninvited

1739
01:24:24,449 --> 01:24:20,409
uninvited refuses

1740
01:24:26,549 --> 01:24:24,459
to identify itself can be attacked the

1741
01:24:29,759 --> 01:24:26,559
UFO literature is full of attempts at

1742
01:24:32,909 --> 01:24:29,769
shoot downs whether it be in Tehran in

1743
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:32,919
the the Iranian case back I think 1973

1744
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:37,360
or or back in the fifties when there

1745
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:40,239
were attempts to shoot them down so if

1746
01:24:44,029 --> 01:24:42,489
you want to announce your presence and

1747
01:24:46,979 --> 01:24:44,039
you have a technology that can produce

1748
01:24:49,770 --> 01:24:46,989
holographic images that people can

1749
01:24:52,919 --> 01:24:49,780
actually videotape and think our

1750
01:24:55,890 --> 01:24:52,929
physical law it's not putting your crews

1751
01:24:57,569 --> 01:24:55,900
at risk just think of the space space

1752
01:25:00,029 --> 01:24:57,579
gas stage you know I don't think these

1753
01:25:01,589 --> 01:25:00,039
UFOs are flying around with gasoline but

1754
01:25:03,299 --> 01:25:01,599
just think of the space gas or their

1755
01:25:06,299 --> 01:25:03,309
equivalent of whatever they're using in

1756
01:25:09,330 --> 01:25:06,309
their propulsion system is if they don't

1757
01:25:12,959 --> 01:25:09,340
have to fly to interact with us they can

1758
01:25:15,929 --> 01:25:12,969
produce holographic type technology so

1759
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:15,939
there are these are two or three reasons

1760
01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:23,759
I'm not quite following you about the

1761
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:26,169
purpose of why they would do that like a

1762
01:25:30,449 --> 01:25:28,719
holographic image I I'm not talking

1763
01:25:32,819 --> 01:25:30,459
about on film right now but you're

1764
01:25:36,419 --> 01:25:32,829
talking about when people actually see a

1765
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:36,429
UFO it's not really clear oh sure the

1766
01:25:42,419 --> 01:25:38,530
UFO intelligence showed me how they do

1767
01:25:45,089 --> 01:25:42,429
it in nineteen in 1993 I was working

1768
01:25:46,969 --> 01:25:45,099
with his Russian contact II I really

1769
01:25:50,459 --> 01:25:46,979
should publish a book about this because

1770
01:25:54,359 --> 01:25:50,469
this was a young man 21 years old I'm 42

1771
01:25:56,189 --> 01:25:54,369
he shows up in my emergency room he I'm

1772
01:25:59,459 --> 01:25:56,199
gonna use a pseudonym on him his name I

1773
01:26:01,169 --> 01:25:59,469
call him Misha and he asked me soon

1774
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:01,179
after he gets the job as an EKG tech

1775
01:26:06,989 --> 01:26:04,449
what do i what do I think of UFOs and I

1776
01:26:08,429 --> 01:26:06,999
don't know this guy I'm doing contact

1777
01:26:10,350 --> 01:26:08,439
work but I haven't announced to the

1778
01:26:11,790 --> 01:26:10,360
medical group or a lot of people that

1779
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:11,800
I'm going out in the desert to retract

1780
01:26:18,359 --> 01:26:14,639
UFOs later on I got very open about it

1781
01:26:21,509 --> 01:26:18,369
but I gave some answer to this guy Misha

1782
01:26:22,949 --> 01:26:21,519
I said oh I don't know if there weren't

1783
01:26:25,229 --> 01:26:22,959
intelligence out there would be an

1784
01:26:31,949 --> 01:26:25,239
incredible waste of space that line from

1785
01:26:34,210 --> 01:26:31,959
jodie foster's yeah movie context so a

1786
01:26:36,220 --> 01:26:34,220
year later after i'm running a con

1787
01:26:39,190 --> 01:26:36,230
a team he introduces himself as a

1788
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:39,200
high-level contactee who has had many

1789
01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:41,090
sightings sort of like dr. Greer he's a

1790
01:26:45,970 --> 01:26:43,760
magnet for this phenomena and he wants

1791
01:26:48,490 --> 01:26:45,980
to join my now well-established contact

1792
01:26:50,380 --> 01:26:48,500
team so I said to him why didn't you

1793
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:50,390
tell me who you were a year ago his

1794
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:53,890
answer was chilling he said to me I

1795
01:27:00,490 --> 01:26:57,410
didn't tell you dr. Burks because you

1796
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:00,500
weren't ready yet and in the course in

1797
01:27:04,330 --> 01:27:02,480
other words the implication was that he

1798
01:27:06,820 --> 01:27:04,340
was in direct telepathic communication

1799
01:27:11,260 --> 01:27:06,830
with the UFO intelligence and they gave

1800
01:27:13,300 --> 01:27:11,270
him to me as a guide but I had to shall

1801
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:13,310
we say no longer be wet behind my ears

1802
01:27:17,650 --> 01:27:15,770
in terms of the contact work before I

1803
01:27:19,900 --> 01:27:17,660
could integrate a high-powered contact

1804
01:27:22,420 --> 01:27:19,910
dia into my team as soon as he joined

1805
01:27:24,610 --> 01:27:22,430
the team wonderful things started

1806
01:27:26,740 --> 01:27:24,620
happening for me personally my psychic

1807
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:26,750
ability went way up I started having

1808
01:27:32,830 --> 01:27:29,840
what's called contact downloads on two

1809
01:27:36,910 --> 01:27:32,840
occasions not one but two I was given a

1810
01:27:38,590 --> 01:27:36,920
heads-up telepathically as to when where

1811
01:27:40,420 --> 01:27:38,600
and how many crafts were gonna be

1812
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:40,430
showing up during the course of our

1813
01:27:46,060 --> 01:27:42,650
fieldwork hours before the events

1814
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:46,070
occurred and so dr. Greer had alerted us

1815
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:48,530
to telling us this could happen so if

1816
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:51,650
you have a very vivid image of when or a

1817
01:27:56,380 --> 01:27:54,290
knowingness of when the crafts are going

1818
01:27:58,930 --> 01:27:56,390
to appear share that with your

1819
01:28:01,000 --> 01:27:58,940
co-workers and I did I said uh in

1820
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:01,010
October of 1993 when I got this

1821
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:03,170
telepathic override and we're in Joshua

1822
01:28:07,900 --> 01:28:05,600
Tree spectacular beautiful pristine

1823
01:28:11,020 --> 01:28:07,910
setting you know on the high desert I

1824
01:28:14,890 --> 01:28:11,030
told them show time is 2 o'clock 2 a.m.

1825
01:28:17,230 --> 01:28:14,900
and we took shifts of sky watch rest

1826
01:28:17,860 --> 01:28:17,240
thought projection I said I'm taking the

1827
01:28:21,010 --> 01:28:17,870
first shift

1828
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:21,020
resting wake me up at 10:00 to 2:00 sure

1829
01:28:26,770 --> 01:28:23,450
enough they woke me up at 10 to 2 and a

1830
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:26,780
1 UFO appeared just as I had been told

1831
01:28:32,500 --> 01:28:30,050
in the northwest sky at 2 o'clock in the

1832
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:32,510
morning on the dot this happened again

1833
01:28:39,100 --> 01:28:36,410
later on in 1994 when we did a shoot

1834
01:28:41,230 --> 01:28:39,110
with the encounters television program I

1835
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:41,240
was told three UFOs were going to show

1836
01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:44,000
up at 9 o'clock at night on the money

1837
01:28:47,709 --> 01:28:45,760
well it wasn't exactly right that time

1838
01:28:49,450 --> 01:28:47,719
one UFO showed up

1839
01:28:51,399 --> 01:28:49,460
three times but it was fifteen minutes

1840
01:28:54,700 --> 01:28:51,409
to nine nine o'clock and then 15 minutes

1841
01:28:57,549 --> 01:28:54,710
after 9:00 so it was close so you know

1842
01:29:00,520 --> 01:28:57,559
so Misha is now part of my contact team

1843
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:00,530
and we're doing wherever we go we're

1844
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:04,010
having sightings we have a prolonged

1845
01:29:10,270 --> 01:29:06,650
experience in November of 93 for two and

1846
01:29:12,489 --> 01:29:10,280
a half hours we had what we call jumpers

1847
01:29:15,939 --> 01:29:12,499
there were little like points of light

1848
01:29:17,410 --> 01:29:15,949
that were jumping across the sky and we

1849
01:29:20,350 --> 01:29:17,420
interacted with these jumpers for two

1850
01:29:24,100 --> 01:29:20,360
and a half hours during a windstorm at

1851
01:29:26,469 --> 01:29:24,110
Joshua Tree National Monument a year

1852
01:29:29,500 --> 01:29:26,479
later we want we went out into the field

1853
01:29:31,299 --> 01:29:29,510
and we wanted to have sort of like a

1854
01:29:33,580 --> 01:29:31,309
one-year anniversary of that two and a

1855
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:33,590
half hour of encounter and we were in

1856
01:29:41,469 --> 01:29:37,449
the same location and I noticed that my

1857
01:29:43,689 --> 01:29:41,479
coworker said there were you that we

1858
01:29:45,969 --> 01:29:43,699
were shooting stars over Negri Hill and

1859
01:29:49,330 --> 01:29:45,979
I'm looking at the same section of sky

1860
01:29:51,879 --> 01:29:49,340
and I saw nothing he said my vision was

1861
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:51,889
pretty good I said you saw a shooting

1862
01:29:57,279 --> 01:29:54,650
star there he said yes and I looked down

1863
01:29:58,750 --> 01:29:57,289
the barrel of his arm as I mean look

1864
01:30:00,819 --> 01:29:58,760
down the arm as it was the barrel of a

1865
01:30:03,790 --> 01:30:00,829
gun I said where did that you see it he

1866
01:30:07,350 --> 01:30:03,800
says there it is and I saw absolutely

1867
01:30:11,379 --> 01:30:07,360
nothing and he had seen three in a row

1868
01:30:13,750 --> 01:30:11,389
so I I said to him why don't you ask

1869
01:30:16,509 --> 01:30:13,760
them to show me what you just saw and

1870
01:30:20,109 --> 01:30:16,519
lot he said show dr. Burks and like that

1871
01:30:22,899 --> 01:30:20,119
I immediately saw a pale shooting star

1872
01:30:24,790 --> 01:30:22,909
above Negri Hill I said to him was that

1873
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:24,800
like the three others that you had seen

1874
01:30:29,620 --> 01:30:28,159
he said was exactly like them now my

1875
01:30:31,569 --> 01:30:29,630
heart starts beating because I'm

1876
01:30:34,540 --> 01:30:31,579
thinking this is Showtime they're

1877
01:30:38,379 --> 01:30:34,550
showing me how they can create illusion

1878
01:30:40,930 --> 01:30:38,389
he saw them shooting stars I did not so

1879
01:30:44,620 --> 01:30:40,940
I said to him show me again and he said

1880
01:30:46,959 --> 01:30:44,630
show Joe sure enough like that

1881
01:30:48,910 --> 01:30:46,969
a shooting star up here that was exactly

1882
01:30:51,669 --> 01:30:48,920
like the other one that I had seen and

1883
01:30:54,100 --> 01:30:51,679
the five previous that he had seen in

1884
01:30:57,129 --> 01:30:54,110
that exact location the shooting star

1885
01:30:59,379 --> 01:30:57,139
was the same color the same angle that

1886
01:31:02,639 --> 01:30:59,389
formed with horizon the same length of

1887
01:31:05,319 --> 01:31:02,649
trail although

1888
01:31:07,449 --> 01:31:05,329
my heart's pounding now and I said we

1889
01:31:08,949 --> 01:31:07,459
got this thing called coincidence could

1890
01:31:11,319 --> 01:31:08,959
you show me one more time and at that

1891
01:31:13,179 --> 01:31:11,329
point there was a pregnant pause as if

1892
01:31:15,759 --> 01:31:13,189
the intelligence was saying don't you

1893
01:31:19,599 --> 01:31:15,769
know what we're doing and after about 15

1894
01:31:23,020 --> 01:31:19,609
seconds bingo three in a row six for him

1895
01:31:24,929 --> 01:31:23,030
now they can show me visual displays of

1896
01:31:27,669 --> 01:31:24,939
shooting stars that are exactly the same

1897
01:31:31,060 --> 01:31:27,679
they can do the same exactly the same

1898
01:31:33,849 --> 01:31:31,070
thing for what we identify as alien

1899
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:33,859
crafts this is a holographic like

1900
01:31:38,290 --> 01:31:36,050
technology which is something we have

1901
01:31:41,409 --> 01:31:38,300
not achieved in this planet because I

1902
01:31:42,699 --> 01:31:41,419
believe it is a mechanism of contact and

1903
01:31:46,089 --> 01:31:42,709
I know we're running out of time so I'll

1904
01:31:50,979 --> 01:31:46,099
stop yeah we've got about about three

1905
01:31:53,919 --> 01:31:50,989
three minutes or so to go here so let me

1906
01:31:55,989 --> 01:31:53,929
ask you this so you get a message can

1907
01:31:58,569 --> 01:31:55,999
you explain how that message comes to

1908
01:32:01,689 --> 01:31:58,579
you and how you know the time and

1909
01:32:03,399 --> 01:32:01,699
everything like how do you know like say

1910
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:03,409
it's it's going to show up at nine

1911
01:32:10,149 --> 01:32:08,449
o'clock well it's like it's for people

1912
01:32:13,299 --> 01:32:10,159
who describe and I'm not the only one

1913
01:32:14,829 --> 01:32:13,309
that gets telepathic downloads okay it's

1914
01:32:18,099 --> 01:32:14,839
like watching a movie in your head it's

1915
01:32:22,290 --> 01:32:18,109
like an awake dream there's a series of

1916
01:32:25,409 --> 01:32:22,300
visual images plus an acquisition of

1917
01:32:27,939 --> 01:32:25,419
novel 'evil of knowledge a knowingness

1918
01:32:30,879 --> 01:32:27,949
now in the case of what happened in

1919
01:32:35,909 --> 01:32:30,889
Joshua Tree when I was meditating I

1920
01:32:39,009 --> 01:32:35,919
actually saw a UFO in my mind's eye and

1921
01:32:40,899 --> 01:32:39,019
the dargah bone my wife getting dinner

1922
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:40,909
for the doggies in there they're saying

1923
01:32:46,629 --> 01:32:44,239
they're hungry anyway so I saw this UFO

1924
01:32:49,239 --> 01:32:46,639
in my mind's eye I could actually sense

1925
01:32:51,909 --> 01:32:49,249
the jubilation of it what I identified

1926
01:32:54,279 --> 01:32:51,919
as a bunch of little et guys and you

1927
01:32:58,179 --> 01:32:54,289
could like at that point I realized how

1928
01:32:59,679 --> 01:32:58,189
it was how people call the ETS insects

1929
01:33:01,239 --> 01:32:59,689
because they were moving around in their

1930
01:33:03,219 --> 01:33:01,249
craft and I'm seeing this in my mind's

1931
01:33:06,669 --> 01:33:03,229
eye with tremendous speed and precision

1932
01:33:08,949 --> 01:33:06,679
I also sensed they had a relationship

1933
01:33:10,629 --> 01:33:08,959
with a command ship which I saw in my

1934
01:33:13,179 --> 01:33:10,639
mind's eye that was cylindrical shaped

1935
01:33:15,220 --> 01:33:13,189
and at the level of knowledge I knew

1936
01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:15,230
these guys were going to show up

1937
01:33:20,890 --> 01:33:17,600
two o'clock and I had a series of

1938
01:33:24,190 --> 01:33:20,900
contact downloads for about eight months

1939
01:33:25,690 --> 01:33:24,200
or a year it came on suddenly when I

1940
01:33:27,940 --> 01:33:25,700
first started working with Mischa and

1941
01:33:30,729 --> 01:33:27,950
they disappeared just as quickly and I

1942
01:33:32,950 --> 01:33:30,739
surely wanted them to come back but they

1943
01:33:36,250 --> 01:33:32,960
didn't so they showed me how they did it

1944
01:33:40,210 --> 01:33:36,260
and I shared it with you all right

1945
01:33:43,330 --> 01:33:40,220
Wow that is pretty interesting we have

1946
01:33:45,340 --> 01:33:43,340
just a little bit of time left are you

1947
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:45,350
do you have like a website or anything

1948
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:48,050
like that I do not for years I had a

1949
01:33:54,070 --> 01:33:51,010
website nobody ever showed up on

1950
01:33:55,390 --> 01:33:54,080
Facebook and on Facebook I have a

1951
01:33:58,030 --> 01:33:55,400
following it's called the contact

1952
01:34:00,490 --> 01:33:58,040
underground which is kind of Mantic name

1953
01:34:02,950 --> 01:34:00,500
or Joseph Burke's so if you go to

1954
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:02,960
contact underground all my reports are

1955
01:34:08,830 --> 01:34:05,650
rotated on a six-month basis and

1956
01:34:13,590 --> 01:34:08,840
eventually a publisher book God willing

1957
01:34:16,750 --> 01:34:13,600
we can read about all these stories and

1958
01:34:17,530 --> 01:34:16,760
that's that's my plan at least all right

1959
01:34:21,010 --> 01:34:17,540
excellent

1960
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:21,020
well I want to thank you so much for I'm

1961
01:34:24,490 --> 01:34:22,010
glad you made it

1962
01:34:26,740 --> 01:34:24,500
and I hope you feel better and thanks

1963
01:34:28,410 --> 01:34:26,750
for coming on not feeling so well I

1964
01:34:30,940 --> 01:34:28,420
appreciate that

1965
01:34:33,010 --> 01:34:30,950
you're welcome and maybe you'll invite

1966
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:33,020
me back I hope so all right well you

1967
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:36,370
take care okay all right bye now

1968
01:34:44,350 --> 01:34:39,290
all right everyone so that's it for the

1969
01:34:46,750 --> 01:34:44,360
show next week we have a Fraser Cain up

1970
01:34:50,229 --> 01:34:46,760
Fraser Cain you might know him from

1971
01:34:53,140 --> 01:34:50,239
Universe Today or astronomy cast I love

1972
01:34:55,090 --> 01:34:53,150
that podcast it's a great one he is a

1973
01:34:56,740 --> 01:34:55,100
UFO skeptic and I've actually talked him

1974
01:34:58,420 --> 01:34:56,750
into coming on the show we're gonna be

1975
01:35:00,670 --> 01:34:58,430
talking about UFOs a little bit and

1976
01:35:03,010 --> 01:35:00,680
what's going on in the world of space

1977
01:35:05,830 --> 01:35:03,020
that's it for the show hope to see you

1978
01:35:08,380 --> 01:35:05,840
next week and for you on YouTube I

1979
01:35:10,810 --> 01:35:08,390
apologize for all our issues I'll try to

1980
01:35:12,550 --> 01:35:10,820
edit out some of this for the podcast

1981
01:35:15,340 --> 01:35:12,560
listener some of the issues we had

1982
01:35:16,750 --> 01:35:15,350
thanks so much everyone and we'll be